On 10/2/2019 11:46 AM, nIqolay Q wrote:
On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 11:04 AM SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name <mailto:sustel@trimboli.name>> wrote:
No you can't — unless you come from Sakrej. *maH Hoch* is not a *Hoch* that is possessed by *maH.* As we see with "area" nouns, they don't get "possessed" by the pronouns modifying them: *jIH tlhop*/area in front of me/ (not *tlhopwIj*), and so on. I don't possess the area in front of me; the area in front is being identified as the one associated with me. This is a non-possessive, genitive relationship.
The *jIH tlhop* vs. *tlhopwIj* issue isn't presented as a general grammar rule applying to certain genitive relationships. It's just presented as a weird thing you do with locative nouns. It doesn't even apply to all locative nouns. The compass direction nouns are an explicit exception, even in the standard dialect. "My east, area to my east" is *chanwIj* is the standard dialect, even though I don't own the area to my east. The same applies to *tIng* and *'ev*.
In the standard dialect of Klingon ({ta' Hol}) and in most other dialects, the locative nouns (or nouns of location, or nouns expressing prepositional concepts) do not take possessive suffixes, while in the dialect of the Sakrej region, they do. The directional nouns ({chan}, {'ev}, {tIng}), on the other hand, take possessive suffixes in all dialects (or at least in all dialects studied to date).
http://klingonska.org/canon/1999-12-holqed-08-4-a.txt
That article goes on to mention that you can say *jIH chan*, but that the difference is in terms of emphasis ("MY east"), rather than in the nature of the genitive relationship.
Please feel free to say *pIm Hochma'* if you like. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name