On 11/9/2021 12:04 PM, Will Martin wrote:
It’s also strange that it’s forbidden to use a Type 7 suffix on the second verb of a Sentence As Object construction (a ban created by Okrand to cover a time when he forgot to use one), though he’s subsequently broken his own ban and people often ignore it.
And those people deserve to suffer! I've never heard that he created the ban to cover an instance where he himself forgot it. Rather, the sentence-as-object construction came about as a retrofit to a changed subtitle, and the new meaning didn't include a tense marker on the second verb, so he changed tenses to aspects and said no aspect markers on the second verb. As for an in-universe explanation, I think the second verb was mostly supposed to be fairly simply, thinking and seeing things. "They are used primarily, though not exclusively, with verbs of thinking or observation..." As such, aspect is rarely applicable to them anyway; it's the aspect of the thing thought or seen that's important. When you deviate from the thinking and seeing verbs, the restriction on aspect markers seems more arbitrary.
Then there’s the thing about the prefix {lu-} which we were told you should use, though people often forget it exists, and then, well, {lutu’lu’} never happens even when it should.
Except it's not "should." *tu'lu'* has been clearly established as correct.
And there’s three types of Rovers, only one of which actually roves. The alternative would have been to have had 11 Types instead of 9, with two of the now “Rover” Types having only one suffix in the Type, leaving {-be’} as the only Rover.
What happened to *-qu'?*
This would suggest that he wanted to avoid having a single suffix listed per Type… except that {-moH} is the only Type 4 suffix, and {-neS} is the only Type 8.
I don't think that's it at all. The suffixes appear in the order they do for a reason. You'll note that they frequently mimic in reverse the order of elements we add to words in English. Putting *-Ha'* and *-Qo'* into the category of "rovers" is just a bit of "Klingons are stubborn" humor in the novelty book he wrote. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name