On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 11:56 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
bIlugh nIqolay Q.
However, there is a reason which led to this thread in the first place.
In the past, when I was writing in klingon, I used to do something like this:
{ghu' veb vIQIjmeH QInvam vIghItlh} In order to explain the next situation, I'm writing this message.
And by saying "next situation", I meant the situation which I was about to explain in the next paragraph.
Until one day ghunchu'wI' wrote, that both {veb} and {vorgh} are meant to be used only with regards to items which exist in a row/list/succession. So, without a "previous situation", I can't write "next situation".
Because of this reason, I wanted to read the canon examples, in order to confirm this.
There's no canon explicitly related to this particular issue specifically. But knowing that {veb} and {vorgh} refer to lists, series, and things in succession can help understand where ghunchu'wI' is coming from. In the phrase "the next situation", the implied series is not a series of situations -- you aren't going through a list of situations and discussing them one by one. Rather, the implied series is the list of topics discussed in the text, and "next" refers to the next topic, which happens to be a situation. In this case, using {veb} to mean "be discussed next in this text" is a shortcut based on the English usage, and avoiding unnecessary Englishisms is considered good practice. There's no word for "topic" or "paragraph" or "be discussed next in this text" yet, though I think you can get the same basic idea with something like {ghu''e' Delbogh mu'tlheghmey veb} "situation that the next sentences describe". (Since a message is implicitly a series of sentences, I think using {veb} would be uncontroversial here, or at least less so than using it with {ghu'}.) Something like {tugh ghu' vIDelbogh} "situation that I will describe soon" might also work, although this does get into the issue of whether timestamps can be used metaphorically to refer to the timeline of reading through a text. Actually, I have a couple questions about concepts of time and succession as they relate to written texts... guess I should write a {chabal tetlh} for the next qep'a'.