AFAIK there is only one example of {-ta'} with {-be'}: loDnI'wI' bIHoHta'be' My brother, you failed to kill (PB) ... and 3 examples of {-pu'} with {-be'}: vIta'pu'be' I didn't do it. TKD pa' jIHpu'be' I wasn't there. TKD 'entepray' Hub patmey luchu'be'lu'pu' Enterprise defense systems are down. (ST5 notes) There aren't many, but 3 of the 4 show {-be'/-ta'} + {be'}. The ST5 example is the only one where {-be'} precedes the Type 7 suffix and it's also the only one with {-lu'}, which may or may not be relevant. -- Voragh Ca'Non Master of the Klingons ----------------------------------------Original Message---------------------------------------- From: mayqel qunen'oS I've always wondered with regards to the placement of the {-be'} relative to the {-pu'} and {-ta'}. As far as the {-pu'} is concerned, since the tkd has the Ca'Non example of {vIta'pu'be'}, I decided to *always* write {-pu'be'} instead of {-be'pu'}. Before I continue, does anyone have something to comment on the above ? [...] However, I'm still puzzled as far as the placement of the {-be'} relative to the {-ta'} is concerned. So far, I just flipped a coin in order to decide.. But since there are days, when you reach into your pocket without finding any change, I'd like to ask: Are there any Ca'Non examples of the {-be'} relative to the {-ta'} ? And if there aren't, then what the @!#! should I do ?