Thank you voragh. Are there canon examples of nouns in apposition, with type-5 suffixes other than {-Daq} ? qunnoq On Sep 20, 2017 5:09 PM, "Steven Boozer" <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
*tlhIngan juHqo'Daq tlhIng yoSDaq 'oH toQDuj chenmoHlu'meH Daq wa'DIch'e' *
1st Construction Site: The Kling District, Klingon Home World. (KBoP)
“in the Kling District on the Klingon home world” = one place (i.e. a single shipyard)
*loghDaq lupDujHom qoDDaq bIlengtaHvIS*,* nIbuQbogh novpu' DaSuv *
Battle menacing aliens in a shuttlecraft journey through space. (STX)
“inside a shuttlecraft in space” = one place (i.e. a single ship)
versus:
*poSDaq nIHDaq je QamtaHvIS SuvwI'pu'*,* chaH jojDaq yItnIS lopwI'*
The initiate must pass through a gauntlet of warriors. (S9)
“on the left (side) and on the right (side)” = two places (i.e. two separate rows of warriors)
--Voragh
*From:* SuStel
On 9/20/2017 9:02 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
Suppose I write the sentence: {Qo'noSDaq SoSlI' juHDaq qajatlh, latlh be' vImuSHa'} "At Qo'noS at your mother's house I told you, that I love another woman".
Do you agree with the above translation, or is it, that due to the absence of a {je} after the {juHDaq}, the meaning becomes "at your mother's house which is Qo'noS I told you, that I love another woman" ?
You could interpret it that way. I don't think the lack of a *je* makes the difference. It could also be interpreted as two separate locatives that both apply simultaneously, one being of a different scope than another.
In a cavern, in a canyon Excavating for a mine Dwelt a miner, forty-niner And his daughter, Clementine.
In the verse, the locatives *in a cavern* and *in a canyon* are not in apposition to each other. The cavern is within the canyon. The subjects of the sentence both have appositional pairs: *a miner* = *forty-niner* and *his daughter* = *Clementine.*
In your Klingon sentence, it's possible that *SoSlI' juH* is within the scope of *Qo'noS.*
If the sentence did have a *je,* the meaning would be different:
*Qo'noSDaq SoSlI' juHDaq je qajatlh **I speak to you on Kronos and in your mother's home*
Here it's possible that you speak to me in both of those places, but not in a single utterance. One day you speak to me on Kronos; another day you speak to me in my mother's house.
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SuStel
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