On 10/6/2021 7:59 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
Suppose I write:
< Duv > jatlhpu' 'e' DaSov you know that he said "advance"
Since there's no rule prohibiting placing a quotation before the {'e'} of a sao (as long as the verb after the {'e'} isn't a verb of speech), seemingly/apparently this sentence would be correct.
Be careful. What you're doing isn't placing a quotation before the *'e';* you're treating a sentence-as-object construction (the verb of saying and its quotation) as the first sentence of another sentence-as-object construction. You're nesting SAOs. The structure is not this: <quote> < <jatlhpu'> 'e' DaSov> The structure is this: < <quote> jatlhpu' > <'e' DaSov> You could also say it like this: < jatlhpu' <quote> > <'e' DaSov>
So, similarly, wouldn't the following be correct too?
< HeD > jatlhpu'; < HIv > jatlhpu' 'e' qa' instead of saying "attack" he said "retreat"
Yes, I would accept that. The fact that the "replacement" is a sentence-as-object instead of a basic sentence appears to be of no import.
Of course, one could argue that the {'e'} of the {'e' qa'} isn't the "classic" {'e'} of a sao, but if that's the case, then even better, right?
It /is/ the classic *'e'* of an SAO. When you're saying <sentence1>; <sentence2> 'e' qa' You need the *'e', *because it literally means /it replaces that <sentence2>./ It's only when you're /instead/-ing noun phrases that *'e'* is not required. *'awje' vItlhutlh; HIq qa' 'awje' vItlhutlh; HIq 'e' qa' */I drink root beer instead of alcohol./ Technically, the *'e'* in the above sentence is ungrammatical, but Klingons may say it anyway. But when dealing with full sentences, the *'e'* is required and is the same old *'e'* we've always known. *jIQam; jIba' 'e' qa' */I stand instead of sitting./ This is literally /I stand; it replaces that I sit./ You cannot say *jIQam; jIba' qa',* because the object of *qa'* /replace /cannot directly be a sentence. You need the pronoun to stand in for it. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name