On 11/17/2021 9:49 AM, luis.chaparro@web.de wrote:
Thanks again to both of you for the detailed discussion! I will try to summerize it (for beginners like me:-) Please tell me if I'm right:
1. We can use *-moH* or *-choHmoH* depending on wether we want to express or focus on the end result (*-moH*) or the change (*-choHmoH*) someone or something is causing.
I wasn't stating a general rule; I was analyzing a specific sentence. Not all verbs will see a difference between an end result or a change. For instance, if I say *tlhIngan Hol vIghojmoH*/I teach Klingon,/ I'm not focusing on an end result; I am just talking about an existing action. If I say *tlhIngan Hol vIghojchoHmoH* /I start teaching Klingon,/ I am talking about the beginning of an action. Don't look for a formulaic interpretation of combinations of suffixes. Analyze each verb as you find it.
If someone wants to cook and her / his hands are really dirty, I'll probably be interested on emphasize that I want her / his hands to*become* clean, so I'll likely use *-choHmoH*. If I just recommend someone to be*generally* clean, I'll likely use *-moH*.
Or if you want to recommend someone maintain a regular cleaning regimen (*Hoch jaj nuHlIj yISay'moH*/Clean your weapon every day/). Or if you just want to explain how something becomes clean without describing the transition of going from dirty to clean (*raS DaSay'moHmeH, taSvam yIlo'*/Use this solution to clean the table/). There are lots of uses for *-moH* with or without *-choH,* and you have to figure them out as needed. Don't try to come up with a simple formula to follow. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name