On 7/5/2017 1:26 PM, David Holt wrote:
ghItlh mayqel qunenoS:
DaH qep'a' ve'meH bonablaH.
If the {ve'} as a verb of movement follows the same rules with {jaH}, and the sentence refers to a single person, then..
shouldn't this be {DaH qep'a'Daq Dave'meH bInablaH} or {DaH qep'a' Da'vemeH bInablaH} ?
Since the {bo-} prefix is used on the main verb, the sentence is not referring to a single person. To be safe, this should be, {DaH qep'a'Daq bove'meH bonablaH}. The {-Daq} is actually optional and should not be a point of contention or argument.
It's not that it's optional; it's that it's redundant. Let me use an example that makes it clear what is an object and what isn't (assuming *ve'* works like *jaH*). *jIH muve' */he travels to me /I am his destination. *jIH* is the object of *ve'.* *jIHDaq ve' */he travels on me /He's riding on my back, or something like that. The destination is unstated. You can tell that *jIHDaq* is not the object of *ve'* because the verb prefix agrees with /he/she/it/they/none./ *jIHDaq muve' */he travels to at-me; he travels to me-as-location /This is grammatical; you're just marking /me/ explicitly as a location. The verb prefix agrees with *jIHDaq* and shows that that's its object. But since *ve'* includes the notion that its object is a location, this is redundant. I have tried to reproduce its effect in the English translation above. The Klingon is more formally grammatically correct than the English. Unfortunately, the line from the movie is simply *jIve'.* We don't actually know whether it is a "verb of motion" or not. Since it is compared to *leng,* which is a verb of motion, my money is on *ve'* being one too. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name