SuStel:
So what I said is true... when you're dealing with verbs that don't take objects. If the verb does allow an object, then the "doers" of the verb, whether the subject or object, can do the verb to each other.
Thank you for explaining this; as soon as I read the {Qo'noS tuqmey muvchuqmoH qeylIS} I was about to ask about it. However, reading the canon sentences, I noted something else which seems a little strange: muptaHvIS tay''eghmoH QeHDaj Hoch All his rage focused in one blow (PB) If I was to translate the original klingon sentence, then I would write "while he was striking, all of his anger made itself together". But since we have the {tay'}, then shouldn't there be two subjects (at least) which would be/made together ? qunnoq On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 4:53 PM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 8/29/2017 9:33 AM, Steven Boozer wrote:
Qo'noS tuqmey muvchuqmoH qeylIS
Kahless united the tribes of Kronos (PB)
This contradicts what I said about -chuq and objects, and I'm going to head you off and explain it.
There are two ways to interpret muvchuqmoH: [muvchuq]moH he (singular subject) causes them (plural object) to join each other and [muv]chuq[moH] they (plural, reflexive subject) cause each other to join. When I responded earlier, I was thinking of the latter interpretation, but both are possible. In the former, the -moH applies to a singular subject causing the plural object to do something to each other; in the latter, the -moH applies to a plural subject causing each other to do something.
Things become a little murky when you're dealing with verbs that don't take objects, because the "doer" of the verb doesn't do something to something else. romuluSngan pImchuqmoH would mean he causes the Romulans to be different each other, but be different each other is as meaningless as romuluSngan vIpIm I am different the Romulan.
So what I said is true... when you're dealing with verbs that don't take objects. If the verb does allow an object, then the "doers" of the verb, whether the subject or object, can do the verb to each other.
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