On 2/11/2019 1:45 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
This came up while I was writing another message earlier today..
Is {Sal} (v) "ascend", to be treated as the verbs of movement ?
If I'm on earth and begin ascending to the sky, what do I say ?
{chal vIlSal} or {chalDaq jISal} ?
"Verb of movement" or "verb of motion" is really not a term we should have promoted so much. The defining feature is not that the verb describes motion or movement, but that the verb itself include a locative idea. There are a few verbs whose meanings include locative notions, such as *ghoS */approach//, proceed./ The locative suffix need not be used on nouns which are the objects of such verbs. *Duj ghoStaH*/It is approaching the ship./ (*Duj */ship,//vessel,/ *ghoStaH */it is approaching it/) *yuQ wIghoStaH */We are proceeding toward the planet. /(*yuQ */planet, /*wIghoStaH */we are proceeding toward it/) If the locative suffix is used with such verbs, the resulting sentence is somewhat redundant, but not out-and-out wrong. *DujDaq ghoStaH */It is approaching toward the ship./ So the question you need to answer is, does *Sal*/ascend/ include a locative notion? I don't think so. Okrand uses *Sal* in /paq'batlh/ like so: *SaqSub'e' muSHa'bogh pawmeH leng qeylIS HuDmey Sal ghIq ghIr* /And Kahless traveled to His beloved Saq'suub, Over the mountains,/ The object of *Sal* is the thing climbed, not the destination, so it doesn't appear to be a locative verb. He uses it again: *QIStaq 'emDaq jenchoH jul yor DungDaq Salta'DI' tagh HarghchuqmeH poH* /The sun rises high behind the Kri'stak, When it rises over its top, It is time to do battle./ Here, the destination of the rising /is/ mentioned, and it is in a separate locative phrase, not the object of the verb. I am now convinced that *Sal* is not a locative verb. I like that term much better: /locative verb./ -- SuStel http://trimboli.name