SuStel:
That's your error. During the "once," they were still elves. When it was "once," being elves wasn't completed.
hmm.. Perhaps I'm beginning to understand. So you're saying that the event, which is described by the aspect suffix {-pu'} must : 1. be completed 2. have stopped being in effect right ? qunnoq On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 6:50 PM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 8/23/2016 11:41 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
SuStel:
wa'DIch elves chaH first they were elves. elves chaHpu' they had been elves You don't want both together; that means first they had been elves, which suggests that when you start ("first") they had already completed being elves or that first they are elves for a moment.
I'm not sure I'm following here ; perhaps there is a misunderstanding on my part with regards to what the aspect suffix {-pu'} actually stands for.
It stands for a completed event, right ? Does that event, need to have stopped being in effect as well ? The "orcs were elves once". That's a completed event. "Once they were elves". Perhaps later they stopped being elves, but during the point of time which the "once" refers to, there was a completed event, and that event was "they being elves".
That's your error. During the "once," they were still elves. When it was "once," being elves wasn't completed.
I can't understand why we can't have both the "once" and the {pu'}.
Either it's "once" and the elves are still being elves, or it's no longer "once" and being elves is completed.
jIH:
('ej ngugh jang lurtz) : Saruman !!!
Again, no aspect suffix here, due to the {ngugh}. "Then (at that time) lurtz replies". Now that I'm thinking of it again, perhaps I could place a {-taH}. "then (at that time) lurtz is replying"..
Replying a single word doesn't sound "continuous" to me...
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