Interesting.. I hadn't thought of that possibility.. However, although I wouldn't do it while writing somewhere, where I wouldn't be providing the english translation too, here is how I would understand it.. The {tIQbogh qotlhbogh vIghro'}, I would understand it as {tIQbogh (qotlhbogh vIghro')}, i.e. "cat which tickles which is ancient". The {qeqmeH langmeH mIw}, I would understand it as {qeqmeH (langmeH mIw)}, i.e. "thinning process in order to train". I wonder whether the {tIQbogh qotlhbogh vIghro'}, could be read too as, {(tIQbogh qotlhbogh) vIghro'}, although I can't *feel* any actual difference between them. I wonder whether the {tIQbogh qotlhbogh vIghro'} could also mean {tIQbogh 'ej qotlhbogh vIghro'}; although I can't *feel* any actual difference between them. And qeylIS knows I wonder, whether the {qeqmeH langmeH mIw}, could also mean {qeqmeH 'ej langmeH mIw}, which *is* indeed quite different.. ~ m. qunen'oS Ca'Non Ca'Non Ca'Nonoy