charghwI', your reasoning is seriously flawed.. In order to really learn something, one has to explore everything, even if it is to learn what he should avoid doing. Your persistence, trying to force people not to ask, the things *you* consider "extreme", or "to be taking the rules of grammar to their limits", is infuriating, and counterproductive. You don't seem to realize, that the purpose of this list, isn't to create people, who will only possess the skill to write a couple of sentences in an online game, just to impress their girlfriend. The purpose of the list of the klingon language institute, is and needs to be, to create experts. But as I said elsewhere, no one becomes an expert unless he explores everything. Knowing what *not* to do, is *exactly* as important, as knowing what you *should* do. So, either comment on the questions asked, saying with arguments *why* you think something is wrong, while focusing on the grammar, or please be silent. I can't read another argument like "don't use this grammar tool, because we have another". If you don't want someone to use something, then *do* prove *why* this something is wrong. Not doing so, degrades your reasoning to actually saying to someone "shut up, don't ask". You have decades of experience, which could be of benefit to inexperienced people. And as a friend of maltz, you have the responsibility of acting so. So, for the benefit of everyone, and the klingon language, which you and all of us here love, please get your act together. ~ m. qunen'oS Ca'Non Ca'Non Ca'Non holiest