I'm not qualified to debate Christian theology, let alone do it in Klingon, but I'll try to answer your questions. I don't necessarily subscribe to Christian theology, but if you want to understand Tolkien's big themes, you need to understand Christian themes. On 12/3/2018 8:49 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
yIntaHvIS arda Humanpu', qorDu'mey chenmoH, puqpu' boghmoH.. 'a, tagha', bangpu'chaj lonnIS.. Heghmo', bangpu'chajvo' tlheDnIS.
latlh qo'Daq ghomqa'be' chay' 'e' DaSov? vogh ghomqa' Heghpu'bogh bangpu' 'e' luHarbej Arda DabwI'. Heghpu'DI' Beren, tlhejmeH Lúthien, jubbe'choH.
'ej jIghel.. qatlh ? qatlh bangpu'chaj lonnIS ? illuvatar nobqoqmo' ? 'ej bangpu'chaj arda je lonpu'DI', nuqDaq lujaH ? Humanpu' ghoch 'otHa'ta''a' illuvatar ? ghobe' !
'ej qatlh Humanpu' ghoch 'otHa'Qo' Qunqoqvam ? yuDchu'mo'. valarpu' neH SaH Qunqoqvam.
Elf juHna' 'oH Arda'e'. naDev QI'tu'chaj tu'lu'. latlh qo'Daq Human QI'tu' tu'lu'. Heaven lupong Christian. SuchwI' chaH neH Human'e'. QIj Christopher Tolkien: /boghwI' wa'DIch/, Elfpu'; /tlha'wI',/ loDpu', je chaH. Sanvam lughaj Elf: jub, qo' 'IH muSHa', qo' HachmoHmeH laHmeychaj lo': yep 'ej pup, SIQtaHvIS qo' SIQtaH chaH, chaH mejmoHbe' Heghqoqchaj: chegh chaH — 'ach pawDI' tlha'wI'pu', ghojmoH Elfpu', Sach tlha'wI'pu' 'e' luchaw', QIt ngab Elfpu' SachtaHvIS tlha'wI'pu' 'ej yIn poQbogh Hoch luSuqtaHvIS tlha'wI'pu'. Sanvam, nobvam, lughaj Human: jubbe', tlhab, chaH Sevbe' qo' HeHmey. ... jubbe'ghach wIch QIjlu'be': Qun poymar 'oH. meq Sov pagh. «pegh Humanpu'vaD San nabpu'bogh Qun». Elfpu' SaQmoH jubbe'ghach 'ej lughal Elfpu'.
pIH nuv motlh ! reH, jubwI' ghal jubbe'wi'. reH ! not qaSbe'laH wanI'vam.
teHbe'. reHHa' jubwI' ghal jubbe'wI'. jubbe'wI' ghalbej wa'bIp ben jubwI'. Doy'moH yIn.
SuStel:
Hoch Sov Ilúvatar HIja'; 'ach melkor chenmoHta', 'ej melkormo' bech qo' Hoch. 'a, qatlh qo' SaHnIS qeQvam (illuvatar) ? jub vaj bechlaHbe'..
ghIq jatlh Ilúvatar: «HoSghaj Ainur, 'ej Melkor HoSghaj law' Hoch HoSghaj puS. 'ach ghaH Hoch Ainur je vIghuHmoH: Ilúvatar jIH. ta'raj boleghlaHmeH, bommey'e' bobompu'bogh vIcha'. 'ej Melkor, Hoch QoQ mung jIH 'e' Datlhoj; latlh QoQ Da'oghlaHbe' 'ej QoQ choHlaHbe' vay' jIneHbe'chugh. QoQ choH 'e' nIDchugh vay', Dochmey Dunqu' vI'oghmeH vayvetlh vIlo', 'ej Dochmeyvam jalbe'pu' vay'vetlh. Ilúvatar nab'a' wIyajlaHbe'. DorDI' Arda poH, chaq yaj Hoch.
SuStel:
qo''e' chenmoHpu'bogh Ilúvatar pupmoH qaSbogh Hoch vaj, qo' lupupmoHta''a' 'oy' bep je ? qo' lupupmoHta''a' QIH lot je ?
HIja'. 'oy' bep je tu'lu'be' net jalchugh, bel tu'lu'be' je. QIH lot je tu'lu'be' net jalchugh, Sub ngay' je tu'lu'be' je. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name