On Mon, 2 Dec 2019 at 14:51, Hugh Son puqloD <Hugh@qeylis.net> wrote:
On Dec 2, 2019, at 03:39, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 03:42, Hugh Son puqloD <Hugh@qeylis.net> wrote:
Do we have any canon examples of clauses with verbs taking type-9 suffixes
which are then used as the object of another verb? For the purposes of this question, ignore {-bogh}, {-ghach}, and {-wI'}, as those all turn the verb into a noun or make it part of a clause that acts as a noun grammatically.
I couldn't find any. I suspect there isn't one because the construction is not grammatical.
Thanks for checking. I’m not surprised that there are no examples to be found, as I share your suspicion.
What’s your take on what the referent is for the SAO pronoun in {'e' neHbe' vavoy} from TUC? I really doubt it’s the actual previous sentence as a whole ({QamvIS Hegh qaq law' torvIS yIn qaq puS}) because it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense for the late chancellor to have not wanted that comparison to be true, which is how I would interpret {'e'} actually replacing that whole sentence. So I suspect that in this case {'e'} is either replacing a part of the previous sentence (which part is understood from context), or it’s replacing a previous sentence as a whole other than the immediately preceding one (likely {DIHIvlaHtaHvIS DaH DIHIvnIS}), or it’s just referring to some contextually understood “that” which everybody in the conversation is already aware of.
My current thinking is it’s most likely referring to the {DIHIvnIS}, which is still not a usage that the description in TKD supports.
Really? That's like 5 lines before the {'e'}, including a line also spoken by Azetbur, according to my transcript: KERLA: DIHIvlaHtaHvIS DaH DIHIvnIS. GENERAL #1: DIHIvbe'chugh qo'chajDaq toywI''a' DImoj. GENERAL #2: [completely flubbed line] AZETBUR: ghu'maj Dayajbe'law', Sa'. notlh veS 'a tugh manotlhchoH je maH. GENERAL #1: QamvIS Hegh qaq law' torvIS yIn qaq puS. AZETBUR: 'e' neHbe' vavoy. I think it's much more likely to be referring to an implicit {maQamtaHvIS maHegh}. "A is better than B" "But that (i.e., A) is not what daddy wanted." -- De'vID