SuStel:
Use *-lu'* when you want to de-emphasize the role of the subject in the sentence, or when you just don't know or don't care who or what the subject is. Use *vay'* when you want to talk about *someone* or *something* and have them play an active role in the sentence.
this is beautiful ! thanks ! qunnoq ghogh HablI'wIjvo' vIngeHta' On 20 Sep 2016 6:29 p.m., "SuStel" <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 9/20/2016 11:19 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
lieven:
Hope this helps a bit
Yes, it does ! And I think I understand (finally) what's going on.
If I walk in the kitchen to see that someone ate my pie, then I will say: {QI'yaH ! chabwIj Sopta' vay' !}
But if I want to say that "when someone eats pizza, he always needs to drink beer too", then I will say {pItSa' chab Soplu'taHvIS vaj reH HIq tlhutlhnISlu' je}
Because I learned something new, I'm happy, however it amazes me, how something so important eluded me so far..
Don't take this too far. It would also be perfectly correct to say *chabwIj Soplu'ta'** my pie has been eaten.* *-lu'* is not only for hypothetical or subjunctive uses.
It's a matter of focus. *-lu'* takes the focus away from whoever would be the subject of the sentence, because it removes the subject entirely.
*chabwIj Sopta' vay''e' **someone, definitely someone, has eaten my pie*
*chabwIj Soplu'ta' * *my pie has been eaten *
In the former sentence, I'm focusing very strongly on the culprit. In the latter, I'm focusing on my pie and the fact of its having been eaten; I'm not considering who has done it.
Use *-lu'* when you want to de-emphasize the role of the subject in the sentence, or when you just don't know or don't care who or what the subject is. Use *vay'* when you want to talk about *someone* or *something* and have them play an active role in the sentence.
-- SuStelhttp://trimboli.name
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