ghunchu'wI':
Some of us think of the "prefix trick" as somehow lazy. It's not described in The Klingon Dictionary, and it seems in real life to have evolved as a too-close translation of certain English phrasings.
I don't like the prefix trick either, but because 'oqranD has canonized it we have no option than shut up and accept it. It is hypocritical (and that's an understatement), when someone strays from canon to execute him on the spot, but when another uses perfectly valid canon, to say "it's lazy, don't do it". It's the same hypocrisy which surrounds the use of {-ghach}. Although it is canon, the instinctive "fatherly" advice is "shut up, don't use it". And this lame situation, is the best motivation for someone to do his homework in order to learn the language, thus being able to choose his own way.. It's not only tribbles one needs to avoid; it's lame suggestions and advices as well. qunnoq ghogh HablI'wIjvo' vIngeHta' On 4 Oct 2016 11:41 a.m., "Aurélie Demonchaux" <demonchaux.aurelie@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks a lot ghunchu'wI' for clarifying, it all makes sense to me now and I'll keep it in mind when practicing the language :)
-- mughwI'
2016-10-04 1:10 GMT+02:00 Alan Anderson <qunchuy@alcaco.net>:
On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Aurélie Demonchaux <demonchaux.aurelie@gmail.com> wrote:
1/ Regarding “Quvar vIponglu’”:
That works fine, though some people consider it extremely informal
usage.
ok thanks for confirming this! Just to check, is there a canon reference on this being informal, stating that the prefix trick and / or <-lu’> suffix make the sentence informal, or is it more an opinion / deduction that some Klingon linguists have formed based on their knowledge of the language?
There is nothing officially published that labels it as informal. It's mostly a matter of a long-established preference in this discussion forum for strict grammatical forms when teaching Klingon. Some of us think of the "prefix trick" as somehow lazy. It's not described in The Klingon Dictionary, and it seems in real life to have evolved as a too-close translation of certain English phrasings.
It's perfectly valid grammar, and those who consider themselves fluent (or nearly so) in Klingon won't have a problem understanding it. I probably went too far using the word "extremely", and for that I apologize.
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