On 3/21/2018 1:29 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
SuStel:
In {YvaD X VmoH X}, X is the causer and the
done-to, which isn't one of those combinations
that I think requires a reflexive suffix. It seems
a correct construction.
I think I understand your point, but there is something which still confuses me.
How can we write {YvaD X VmoH X}, since there is no verb prefix to use, when both the subject and the object are the same person/persons ?
In the verb prefix chart, when the subject and the object are the same person/persons, then we have a dash (-), which means that we can't write {YvaD X VmoH X}.
So, if we needed to write a sentence as "the vulcans caused the federation to accept them", then we can't write it in the form {YvaD X VmoH X}, and we can't use {-'egh} or {-chuq}, so we need to recast.
Would you agree with the above ?
/The Vulcans/ is just a third-person noun. If {YvaD X PRE-VmoH X}, then PRE is the null prefix: X is either the singular third-person, in which case you've got singular, third-person subject and singular, third-person object (null prefix) or you've got plural, third-person subject and plural, third-person object (null prefix). You can't use this to say something like /I caused you to accept me/ because of the problem you're pointing out: /jIH/ can't be both subject and object (because there is no possible prefix for this combination, not even the null prefix). Which is how we get to recasting. If something is possible to say only in the third person, that's a good sign to me that it could do with a bit of work, even if it's otherwise legal. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name