2017-10-10 20:33 GMT+02:00 mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>:
SuStel:
If someone were to write *Duj Do'a' Do DoHom vIjuv* for *I * *> measure the ship's deceleration*
*I can'understand this; all I read is "I measure the ship's great speed, speed, lesser speed"*
*mayqel q*
This is also the only thing I am grasping there. It would not make sense to me. It sounds either like a mere list, or like a NNN construction meaning "I measure the lesser speed of the speed of the greater speed of the ship." Neither of which makes sense. Maybe that ship has only 3 speed modes, slow pace, middle pace, and full speed, and I could measure what they are (e.g. half impulse, full impulse, and warp 1). Interpreting something like "deceleration" into seems like a big stretch. Like linguistic fan fiction. - André
On Oct 10, 2017 8:09 PM, "SuStel" <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 10/10/2017 12:51 PM, nIqolay Q wrote:
I don't see these as a spectrum, and these suffixes don't express what I
thought of the nouns at the time; they tell what I think of them when I say the sentence.
It's interesting that you don't see these suffixes as a spectrum. I thought it was a good example of a spectrum of something like "increasing belief on my part that this thing can or should be described by this noun", from *-qoq* ("obviously not such a thing") to *-na'* ("definitely such a thing"). That's a good point about how they apply at the time of speaking, though. (At first I was going to argue that in the right context they could be taken to mean "what I thought of them at the time", like if they were contrasted with each other in some kind of temporal sequence, but I think that's mostly just because I really liked that example and want to salvage it somehow.)
Noun qualification suffixes applying to what a participant in the sentence is not a complete impossibility, though I don't like it. We've seen hints of similar in the verb qualification suffixes. But we haven't actually seen anything like this in nouns so far as I know, so no point trying to find a way to make it so.
You might construct a similar argument based on aspect suffixes and *-ghach:* *SuvchoHghach SuvtaHghach Suvpu'ghach* for something like *fight from start to finish.* There's an unmistakable sequence here, but it doesn't exactly roll off the tongue. And with this one there's actually little point to nominalizing it; just say *SuvchoH SuvtaH Suvpu'.* Interpret it with full stops after each word if you must.
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