On 4/26/2018 5:22 PM, Daniel Dadap wrote:
On Apr 26, 2018, at 16:03, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name <mailto:sustel@trimboli.name>> wrote:
On 4/26/2018 4:44 PM, Daniel Dadap wrote:
jatlhchuqtaHvIs jupwI' jIH je, jIqIDpu', 'a tlhaQbe' qIDwIj 'e' noH jupwI'. “chay' tlhIngan Hol jatlhtaHvIS*facepalm* jatlhlu'” 'e' ghel ghaH. “qabwIj vIweq” vIjangpu', 'a jIloy neH.
jIghel: nuq jatlh tlhInganna', moghDI' ghaH?
jatlhlaw' /ghuy'cha'! /pagh /va!/
Thanks for answering the question and also for helping me with the fiddly grammar bits. I hope my post was at least somewhat intelligible. }}}:-)
I suppose my actual question could have been more precisely worded: “ghuy'cha'” and “va” both seem like reasonable things that one might say in a moment of general frustration, whereas I was looking for a more direct analog to “facepalm”, which I interpret more as an expression of exasperation in immediate response to something that somebody has just said or done.
Do you think “qabwIj vIweq” would at least be understood to mean something like “facepalm”? Are you aware of any other expressions or idioms that might be suitable for a “facepalm” moment?
Are you saying people actually say "facepalm" in such moments? I'm pretty sure Klingons aren't up on the latest Internetese, and don't have this expression.
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<jatlhchuqtaHvIS jupwI' jIH je>
*jatlh* doesn't take the person spoken to as a direct object, so you probably can't say *jatlhchuq.* One usually says *ja'chuq,* which appears in the dictionary. It's not entirely clear, though.
<chay' tlhIngan Hol jatlhtaHvIS /facepalm/ jatlhlu'>
Don't insert the subordinate clause between the main clause and its question word. Also, keep your indefinite subject consistent throughout. *tlhIngan Hol jatlhlu'taHvIS chay' /facepalm/ jatlhlu'?*
Cool, this is helpful. Would “tlhIngan Hol jatlhlu'taHvIS chay' X jatlhlu'” be a reasonable way to ask how to say X in Klingon? Is there a more concise/preferred way to do this?
Maybe *wejpuH*/charming (used only ironically)./ -- SuStel http://trimboli.name