On 7/30/2020 8:30 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
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Dun [Qap yuQDaj ‘e’ tulbogh nuv]. SuStel: This is grammatical and is the correct formation for what he tried to say. There's something I can't understand in this sentence. The subject of the {-bogh} phrase is the {nuv}. But what is the object of the {-bogh} phrase ? Is it only the {'e'} or is it the {Qap yuQDaj} ? Or are they both the subject ?
The object of *tulbogh* is *'e'.* The entire relative clause consists of a sentence as object construction, *Qap yuQDaj 'e' tul nuv,* with *-bogh* added to the main verb, *tul.* The entire subject of the sentence is *Qap yuQDaj 'e' tulbogh nuv*/person who hopes that his planet succeeds./
This aside, could we extend
Note the difference between grammatically possible and wise.
the correct {Dun [Qap yuQDaj ‘e’ tulbogh nuv]} to net, neH sao's and to quotations too ? Suppose we write:
Dun [Qap yuQDaj net tulbogh] someone who hopes that his planet wins is great
No, because the relative clause has no head noun.
Dun [Qap yuQDaj neHbogh nuv] the person who wants his planet to win is great
Yes, so far as we know. But as with all of these, it's confusing and probably not a good idea.
Dun [Qapjaj yuQwIj jatlhbogh nuv] the person who says may my planet win is great
Yes, with the same notes.
Is there something wrong with the above sentences ?
Yes. They are too confusing to be understood without stopping and parsing them. They're like the following perfectly grammatical English sentences: /The horse raced past the barn fell. /(The horse fell. The horse was raced past the barn by someone, and then the horse fell.) // /The rat the cat the dog chased killed ate the malt. /(The rate ate the malt. The cat killed the rat. The dog chased the cat.) /Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo. /(Yes, this is a grammatically correct sentence. It means, basically, /Bison from Buffalo, New York, who are intimidated by other bison in their community, also happen to intimidate other bison in their community./ /Buffalo/ is the name of a city in New York, the name of an animal species, and a verb meaning /intimidate./) // -- SuStel http://trimboli.name