On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 12:26, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
I used {-na'} because in my mind, I had attributed to it the meaning "to be real, true" as opposed to "counterfeit". In other words, somewhere along the way, I started perceiving the {-na'} to be conveying a meaning opposite to the verb {ngeb}.
Luckily though, yesterday, I had the idea of checking with the tkd. So, lets remember, the way {-na'} is defined:
tkd:
{-na'} <definite> This is the counterpart of {-Hey.} It indicates that there is no doubt in the speaker's mind as to the accuracy of his or her choice of words. Once the Klingon officer referred to above is sure that the object the scanner has found is a vessel, he might report the presence of {Dujna'} <a definite vessel, undoubtedly a vessel.>
So, after reading the relevant tkd part, I understood that by saying {tamghayna' 'oH Hurghchu'ghach'e'}, I'm not actually saying "perfect darkness is the true light" (true as opposed to fake/counterfeit).
By saying {tamghayna' 'oH Hurghchu'ghach'e'}, i'm actually saying "perfect darkness is the definite light" as in "perfect darkness is surely the light".
You're missing something fundamental. A verb used adjectivally describes something about *the noun* it follows. The suffix {-na'} indicates the degree of *your* (the speaker's) certainty about it. {Dujna'} is not "a vessel that is definite", it is "a thing that the speaker is sure is definitely a vessel". {teH} and {-na'} are not even comparable, because they apply to different things. A {ngeblaw'bogh Dujna'} is a thing which the speaker is sure is a ship (as opposed to, say, a missile), but which he or she thinks may be fake (i.e., definitely a ship, but a fake ship as opposed to a real ship). -- De'vID