De'vID:
{naDev ghaHtaHbogh} "here where he is"
I didn't know that the {-bogh} can express "where". if that is the case, then I can understand the sentence from paq'batlh. however I am curious.. in light of the {-bogh} being able to express the meaning of "where", how would you explain the tkd p.172 sentence: {jIHtaHbogh naDev vISovbe'} ? "here where I am being" ? but in the {naDev ghaHtaHbogh} "here where he is" example that you wrote, the {naDev} precedes the {-bogh}.. qunnoH jan puqloD ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta' On 19 Dec 2016 2:30 pm, "De'vID" <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 19, 2016 10:36, "mayqel qunenoS" <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
De'vID:
{naDev ghaHtaH} means "he/she is here".
Yes, I can understand this; but if at the above sentence we had the {-bogh} ({naDev ghaHtaHbogh}), then what would that mean ?
"here where he/she is"
What's difficult about this? {-bogh} turns a sentence into a relative clause.
{SuvwI' HoHpu'} "he killed the warrior" {SuvwI' HoHpu'bogh} "the warrior whom he killed"
{naDev ghaHtaH} "he is here" {naDev ghaHtaHbogh} "here where he is"
What's the difficulty? Is it that you don't accept that the location is the object of the pronoun/verb?
Consider {pa' 'oHtaH vaS'a''e'}. What role does {pa'} play relative to {'oHtaH}?
My difficulty in understanding the original paq'batlh sentence, had/has to do with accepting the {naDev jIHtaHbogh} as a noun.
{[noun] [verb][suffix]bogh} is a noun. What else could it be? This is just a standard relative clause.
If that sentence went: {DaH naDev jIHtaH meq Saja'}, then I could read it as "now, the reason of my being here, I will tell you". But the addition of {-bogh} severely messes me up. It is its presence that I can't explain.
What you wrote is ungrammatical as a single sentence. The sentence from the paq'batlh is perfectly formed according to known Klingon grammar and has a clear meaning.
-- De'vID
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