ok, thank you all ! I will leave {Hergh ngevwI'}, in my dictionary as it is (person and/or store) ! On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 3:27 AM, Lawrence M. Schoen <klingonguy@gmail.com> wrote:
It's even worse when the drunkard who is washing your dishes is named Hobart.
On Jun 8, 2016 8:12 PM, "DloraH" <seruq@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Is a ghItlhwI' a person, a printer hooked up to a computer, or a pencil? We have the same problem in English. What is a dishwasher? An appliance, or a person? When the dishwasher is loaded, is it that one cannot fit anymore plates in to the appliance, or is does it mean that the wife is drunk?
It always comes back to context.
- DloraH
-----Original Message----- From: tlhIngan-Hol [mailto:tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org] On Behalf Of mayqel qunenoS Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 11:05 To: tlhIngan Hol mailing list Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] [tlhIngan-Hol] Hergh ngevwI'
ok, this is becoming confusing ;
and to make things even worst, this question came to my mind minutes ago..
.. someone builds a completely automated physical store, which store sells medical products. wouldn't we be able to call that store Hergh ngevwI' ?
and then we have the Hergh QaywI'. If we analyze the QaywI', then we see that the {Qay} means to transfer. However the given translation, doesn't refer to a person who transfers ; it rather refers to a thing, which transfers.
Unless the definition of {Hergh ngevwI'} as "being the person who does", comes directly from 'oqranD, then why couldn't we use it to describe the store as well ?
So, the million dollar question is this :
Does the definition of {Hergh ngevwI'}, as "the person who does", come directly from 'oqranD ?
qunnoq
On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
{Hergh ngevwI'} refers to the person who sells, or to the store which sells ? Or both ?
De'vID:
It refers to the person. In the TalkNow! Klingon softwhere {ngevwI'} and {Hergh ngevwI'} are used, the pronoun {ghaH} is used.
But see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metonymy (or maybe https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/Μετωνυμία is more appropriate)
nuqDaq ghaH Hergh ngevwI''e' Where is the chemist? (TNK)
Another example from TalkNow! is:
nuqDaq ghaH ngevwI''e' Where is the shop? (TNK)
On the other hand a {Hergh QaywI'} "pneumatic hypo" (also called a hypospray and hyposyringe in Trek) is a medical device, lit. "thing which transfers medicine".
-- Voragh tlhIngan ghantoH pIn'a' Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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