On 8/11/2017 1:38 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
I wonder whether the following are correct.
wa' jaj maHegh Hoch one day we will all die
wa' jaj maHegh HochHom one day most of us will die
wa' jaj maHegh Hoch maH one day all we will die
wa' jaj maHegh maH Hoch one day all of us will die
wa' jaj maHegh HochHom maH one day we almost all will die
wa' jaj maHegh maH HochHom one day most of us will die
wa' jaj Hegh Hoch chaH one day all they will die
wa' jaj Hegh chaH Hoch one day all of them will die
wa' jaj Hegh HochHom chaH one day they almost all will die
wa' jaj Hegh chaH HochHom one day most of them will die
And I wonder whether there are canon examples of {Hoch} and/or {HochHom} used as subjects of a verb with the prefix {ma-}.
And whether there are canon examples of {Hoch} and/or {HochHom} placed before, or after pronouns.
People try to do these things all the time, because they're trying to reproduce the expressions used by English or some other language. But most of these violate the rule of *rom*, that verb prefixes must agree with subjects and objects. Yes, sometimes those rules are violated by Klingons under certain circumstances, but we humans should be making up our own circumstances. *wa' jaj maHegh Hoch*/ one day we will all die / *Hoch* is a third-person noun, not a first-person noun, so the verb prefix must agree with a third-person subject. Say either *wa' jaj maHegh*/one day we will die/ or *wa' jaj Hegh Hoch*/one day everyone will die./ This goes for *HochHom* variants too. While this is not positive evidence, I will point out that /paq'batlh/ has *naDev Sughompu' 'ej Qo'noS SuvwI'pu' Hem tlhIH qeylIS tIghmey'e' DaH tIQoy...* /Hear now, All of you here, Proud warriors of Kronos The ways of Kahless.../ The translator declined to say *Hoch tlhIH* or *tlhIH Hoch* for /all of you./ *wa' jaj maHegh Hoch maH/wa' jaj maHegh maH Hoch* /one day all we will die/ Assuming either of *Hoch maH* or *maH Hoch *is valid for /all of us/ (as opposed to /some of us/ or/none of us/), then this works. But I don't think we know that those are valid. Likewise with *HochHom* variants. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name