jIH:
{HoDvaD jagh vIjonchoHmoHpu'}: I've caused the captain to begin to capture the enemy. The event which has been completed, is the "my causing of the captain". The sentence does not specify, whether the "capturing is completed". Theoretically, it could mean too "I cause that the captain has begun to capture the enemy", but again this makes no sense. SuStel: Correct. I'll bet Klingon time travel involves a lot of those nonsense combinations starting to make sense.
Would you agree, that the sentence {HoDvaD jagh vIjonchoHmoHpu'}, can have the following meaning too ? "I have begun to cause that the captain captures the enemy". With the completed event, being my "beginning to cause the captain". Moving on.. During the weekend, I had the chance to re-read this thread, and come to the following conclusions.. If it's not much trouble, tell me whether you agree, with the following statements: 1. Everything which has been said for the {-pu'} in this thread, with regards to how it interacts with any other suffixes, goes to for the {-ta'}, {-lI'}, and {-taH}. The only difference, is that the {-ta'} expresses intention, the {-lI'} progress to a known goal or stopping point, and the {-taH} continuous action. (I know this is probably obvious, but I'm writing this, for the sake of being thorough) 2. In the case that any of the four aspect suffixes, coexists with any other verb suffix, then every suffix including the aspect suffix, can act on any other suffix, thus producing many possible translations. And finally, there's something I'm wondering with regards to the {-taHvIS}.. If we write the sentence: {HoDvaD jagh vIjonchoHmoHtaHvIS, latlh Duj vIlegh} Would you agree, that any of the following translations is possible ? 1. "While I'm beginning to cause that the captain captures the enemy, I see another ship". (i.e. the {-taHvIS} acts on the {-choH}). 2. "While I'm causing the captain to begin to capture the enemy, I see another ship" (i.e. the {-taHvIS} acts on the {-moH}). 3. I cause, that while the captain is beginning to capture the enemy, I see another ship. ~ mayqel qunen'oS