Again, point taken. I will continue to work on being a better tlhIngan Hol citizen/community member with less interfering ego. charghwI’ ‘utlh (ghaH, ghaH, -Daj)
On Jul 23, 2021, at 7:52 AM, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
charghwI':
I think you are leaning heavily upon the “an unknown or unspecified quantity” part of the gloss and skipping over the perhaps more meaningful “some” part of the gloss.
You're right about that. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
charghwI':
I will confess an aversion to things said of Klingon that start with “I just realized there’s no rule against…” or “It occurs to me that you could…”
I understand, and respect this; in fact I feel a similar aversion/disgust to people hitting the "like" button everytime an "expert" writes anything on facebook.. And I'm writing "expert" because a person who has never answered a difficult question, isn't an expert. However, many rush to feed these people's ego, a phenomenon which disgusts me. Groveling before "masters" is shameful and pathetic.
charghwI':
This is 100% my personal reaction, in that it feels like, “I know that I could spend decades actually using the language without ever needing to deal with this odd little grammatical issue, but I don’t really care enough about learning to use the language to get practice by using it. I’d rather just poke at it.”
Again, I'm sorry you see it this way, however I totally respect your view on the matter. But two things here:
1. The need for this thread appeared when I needed to express "an unknown quantity which is small". Unfortunately, I cannot share the sentence because it concerns something personal I was thinking at the time.
2. You would be *very* surprised to the amount of info which has been disclosed in the past six years, after my "poking" of the language. And I will give an example:
Sometime ago I wondered about the {mej}/{tlheD} difference. Or rather "poked at it" as you would say.. One option was to use them randomly/interchangeably, and the other was to ask, a thing which I did.. Of course, no one knew at the time, but a little later 'oqranD disclosed their difference.
Something similar happened with the verb {chol}, with a comment from 'oqranD on the noun {Daq}, with the {qey'Hav} (where I was asked by 'oqranD through lieven if the word was to express only the vulva or the vagina too), and the list goes on..
With the exception of {qey'Hav}, I don't know how these information came to be disclosed a little later after my asking; I can imagine, but anyway the "how" isn't what's important here.
And I'm not writing all this because I want a medal or something; I'm writing this to show that we all contribute to the language, each in his own way:
SuStel and De'vID contribute by being experts (something which they've proven by answering difficult questions), voragh shares his archive which I'm sure took a lot of work to compile, qurgh maintains the infrastructure that we use..
And I contribute by poking.. Does this "poking" become obnoxious at times? Perhaps.. But all that matters, is that if Hermes the psychopomp came for me today, I would happy crossing over, knowing that there are things in the language which exist because I "poked".
wa' Dol nIvDaq matay'DI' maQap
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