Am 10.09.2018 um 22:23 schrieb SuStel:
So lemme get this straight. You guys think that *ghaH* is for any singular thing the speaker believes can communicate in some way,
Although I think this is a very interesting discussion pointing at something that is not 100% clearly defined in TKD, I still think that it is quite clear depending on how you interpret things. For me, the {ghaH/'oH} pair is identical in use as the {chaH/bIH}: One is for capable of language, the other is for things. [First, a sidenote: I know we can never assume Klingon works like English, but here I'm talking about the English terms, not the Klingon's] It's true that Okrand did not explicetly say that in TKD, but the usage of the English words still makes it clear: Any English reader knows the difference between "s/he" and "it". But there is only one kind of "they" in English, and that's why there is the additional explanation in TKD. In addition of possible confusion, Conversational Klingon makes the distinction "referring to beings". You may argue that animals are beings as well, but that would contradict the rule of TKD that says capable of language. And I would not take Okrands message about what you BELIEVE too strict. This incorrect usage of pronouns is also based on the English usage (and this time I'm saying that, because all those languages who have genders for things do not have that problem). I read that message like "if you want to use ghaH with your dog, then do it." And qurgh mentioned creatures, not things. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Pronoun