Thanks David! Indeed the lack of tense can be a bit confusing sometimes and it's taking me a bit of time getting used to. I'm still working to figure out also how it works with the verb suffixes. For example, in the 4 possible sentences below, do I get the exact nuances right? jIvutpu’ ’e’ vIparHa’ - I like that I cooked (at some point in the past) - I like that I have cooked (just now) - I like finishing to cook (maybe implying that this is when I can finally eat ;) jIvutta’ ’e’ vIparHa’ - I like that I successfully cooked / that I achieved cooking/ I like cooking successfully [just now, in the past or in general], with more emphasis on the achievement (maybe I was cooking something tricky and I made it) jIvuttaH ’e’ vIparHa' - I like cooking (the process of cooking) jIvutlI’ ’e’ vIparHa' - I like preparing the meal (with more emphasis on the purpose) What do you think? ~mughwI' 2017-02-10 18:22 GMT+01:00 David Holt <kenjutsuka@live.com>:
I would just like to add (because it may help you with future problems) that what may actually be throwing you off is the lack of tense in Klingon. One way to translate {jIvut 'e' vIparHa'} is "I like that I am cooking." However, depending on context, you might also interpret it as, "I like that I cooked," "I like that I will cook," "I like that I do cook," and other variations too.
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------------------------------ *From:* tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org> on behalf of Aurélie Demonchaux <demonchaux.aurelie@gmail.com> *Sent:* Thursday, February 9, 2017 6:31 AM *To:* tlhingan-hol@kli.org *Subject:* [tlhIngan Hol] KLBC - How to say "I like to do/doing something"
Hello!
I've been wondering, what's the correct way to express liking / disliking an activity?
For example, saying:
"I like to cook" or "The Vulcan doesn't like to fight"
We have some examples of <par> and <parHa'> being used with nouns or pronouns but I can't find any canon source where they apply to verbs.
Do you use {'e'} or nothing in those cases?
As in: <jIvut vIparHa'> vs <jIvut ’e’ vIparHa'> <Suv par vulqangan> vs <Suv ’e’ par vulqangan>
My "feeling" would be to use no ’e’ , similar to the construction with <want> (neH), because 'e' is the equivalent of "that", so using it would mean "I like that I cook" / "The Vulcan doesn't like that he fights", implying that the cooking/fighting is actually happening now, instead of stating "I like cooking in general"/"the Vulcan doesn't like fighting in general" (but I'm not necessarily cooking right now and the Vulcan is not fighting right now either).
What do you think?
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