Am 03.04.2019 um 07:36 schrieb De'vID:
How do people understand the antecedents of "there" and "it" in the last sentence? "If there's a door [[there]], [[it]]'s referred to by the usual word for door, {lojmIt}."
I understand it as: "If there's a door [[there at the open entryway called DIn]], [[that door]] is referred to by the usual word for door, {lojmIt}."
The KLI New Klingon Words list says this: {DIn} n. Open entryway (to corridor, tunnel, conduit, Jeffries tube, branch of sewer) [This is the open entryway of any enclosed space longer than wide in which people might find themselves. If there is a door that closes, this is not a {DIn}. It is merely a {lojmIt}.]
This seems to be an interpretation which has added something to the original. In the original, it just says "a door", not "a door that closes".
Yes, I see it the same way. The original text does not say anything about closing, but also does not say anything that it is called {lojmIt} INSTEAD OF {DIn}. It says that if there is a door at the DIn, that is called lojmIt.
What do other people think? Or is there additional evidence that supports the interpretation given in the New Words List?
What I think can be made clear with an image: I see a tunnel going into a mountain. The {qa'rI'} of that tunnel ends in the middle of the rock. It's definitely a closed end with no way out. (And I think it cannot have a door, otherwise Okrand would have said so) The other side, the entrance of the tunnel, is open, of course. The connection between the open space and the mountain. It's called {DIn}. This {DIn} can of course have a door, and that's called lojmIt. Used in a phrase, you would say {DInDaq lojmIt tu'lu'.} "There's a door at the entryway (of the tunnel)." By the way, I can add something from the point of view of an architect: When you construct a building, you first build the walls. There's a big hole in the wall where you can walk into the room. You would not call that a door, it's just a big gap in the wall; parallel to the tunnel, you may call it {DIn}. When you add the movable thing that closes the hole, that's the {lojmIt}. Talking about images - I've made aquick drawing showing what I think the words mean. See it at http://www.klingonisch.de/mIllogh/tunnelwords.png -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/StarTrekDiscovery