maj. Now, I understand your reasons for the specific placement of {-be'}. However let me ask you.. If instead of {SoHtaHbe'chugh} we wrote {SoHbe'taHchugh}, and if instead of {vIta'pu'be'} we wrote {vIta'be'pu'}.. 1. Would you accept these choices as equally correct ? 2. Meaning-wise, would you find that they are any different ? qunnoq On 6 Jul 2017 6:38 pm, "SuStel" <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote: On 7/6/2017 11:27 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote: SuStel:
*pa' SoHtaHbe'chugh vaj meyrI' SoH* *if you are not there then you are a square*
The placement of {-be'} confuses me. If we choose to place it after the {-taH} then doesn't the meaning become "If you aren't there continuously" ? Perhaps this is indeed the intented meaning, the speaker trying to say "if you aren't continuously there, then..". But wouldn't you accept, as a more literal way of saying "If you aren't there.." the {pa' SoHbe'taHchugh..} ? The only reasoning I see for placing the {-be'} after the {-taH}, is if we consider (because of the {pa'}) the {SoHtaH} as an "unable to be separated pair of words", thus leaving as an only option the placement of the {-be'} after it. Since we've gotten some examples of it, I believe *-be'* doesn't necessarily negate only the single, immediately preceding element, but it can refer to the entire preceding concept, especially for suffixes that aren't typically negated. So what I said was meant as *[SoHtaH]be'chugh* instead of *SoH[taH]be'chugh.* A canonical example of this is from *Power Klingon:* *Hoch DaSopbe'chugh batlh bIHeghbe'** if you don't eat everything you will die without honor.* Clearly, *-be'* here is referring to the entire phrase *batlh bIHegh* and not just the *Hegh.* Another example from *Conversational **Klingon* is *vIta'pu'be'** I didn't do it.* This doesn't mean I did it in a non-perfective way; the entire verb before the *-be'* is being negated as a unit. -- SuStelhttp://trimboli.name _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org