[tlhIngan Hol] {mej} with and without {-vo'}
SuStel
sustel at trimboli.name
Thu May 26 08:20:26 PDT 2022
On 5/26/2022 11:07 AM, Iikka Hauhio wrote:
> SuStel:
>
> And by the way, the gloss of*ghoS*also includes "go away from." I
> have no doubt that you could say things like*bIQtIqvo' vIghoS*/I
> go away from the river./*ghoS*can impart an ablative meaning to
> its object instead of a locative meaning, so we should not be
> surprised if adding the ablative suffix to the object has no
> effect on the sentence besides being redundant.
>
>
> Is there evidence that *ghoS* can add the ablative meaning to its
> object? *ghoS* is used tens of times in canon and every time its
> object doesn't have any type-5 suffix it means "go (to)".
Perhaps you missed the qualifiers I sprinkled in liberally to avoid
someone challenging me to prove what I was saying. "I have no doubt."
"We should not be surprised if."
> When *ghoS* is used to mean "go away from", it has *-vo'*:
>
> *chaH neH wovmoHlu'be'
> *
> *chaH 'emvo' ghoS
> *
> *SuvwI'pu' mangghom **yoH*
>
> /The sun shone not on them only,
> /
> /Behind them came
> /
> /An army of brave warriors.
> /
>
> (paq'batlh)
>
I believe that every time *ghoS* is used to mean "go away from," it is
ambiguous whether the ablative is the object or not. And even if it's
not, that just goes along with all those times *jaH* fails to make its
locative destination the object.
> Based on the evidence we have I don't think we can say that a
> nominative object could have an ablative meaning. I think the
> definition just means that in some contexts (ie. when *-vo'* is used),
> the verb can be translated with "go away from".
I didn't say the evidence shows what I said. I said I wouldn't be
surprised if it were the case. The casualness with which *mej* can take
a *-vo'* noun as its object doesn't strike me as *mej* being
exceptional; it strikes me as a special connotation of something that
might not be terribly remarkable.
--
SuStel
http://trimboli.name
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