[tlhIngan Hol] Beginner's text and questions

SuStel sustel at trimboli.name
Thu Feb 17 05:37:33 PST 2022

On 2/17/2022 4:54 AM, luis.chaparro at web.de wrote:
> charghwI':
>> As a stylistic thing, I’d probably choose {X tu’lu’be’} to mean that there are no Xs, since {tu’lu’} is pretty much fossilized as “There is an X or there are Xs”, while {tu’be’lu’} breaks the fossilized form, suggesting the more literal translation that one doesn’t observe or discover it, so I’d translate “The Undiscovered Country” as  {Sep tu’be’lu’bogh}. There is a country, so {Sep tu’lu’be’bogh} kinda suggests that there isn’t a country, so it doesn’t work as well for a translation, In My Humble Opinion.
> Thank you for your interesting contributions. That's a very good question. But then, do you think the combination I used in my text (*tu'choHlu'pu'*), since it *breaks* the *tu'lu'*, would be rather understood with the more literal meaning of *observe, find, discover*? I was trying to render the idea of *there have begun to be* (*they have come into existence*).

I don't think *tu'lu'* should be thought of as an indivisible particle. 
The *tu'* and the *-lu'* put together tend to have a fixed meaning, but 
that doesn't mean the combination has been turned into its own unaffixed 
word. If you want *tu'choHlu'pu'* to mean /there had begun to be,/ that 
should be fine.

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