[tlhIngan Hol] thoughts on the perfective {-pu'}

Will Martin lojmitti7wi7nuv at gmail.com
Tue Apr 5 12:16:21 PDT 2022

I’ll just comment that text sucks as a communication medium, and the Klingon Language list has long proven this to be true. People tend to skim messages with presumptions loaded based on who sent it and any controversial phrase leaps out like a signal flare, prompting them to respond in what they honestly feel is a justified, similar heat level. Ping pong. It’s a recursive, amplifying function.

I’m always sorry to see it happen, especially when I’m one of the parties involved, but it still sucks to see people I respect going at each other via a medium that sucks for emotional content.

We read emotional content that isn’t really there and add some heat. They see heat and add more.


I’m old enough to (sometimes, but not always) just let go of it. It’s not really that important. It passes.

Justice is an artificial abstract. We sincerely believe things should be “fair”, though we don’t agree on what is fair, and it spirals to levels beneath either party.

I wish you both peace and disengagement, since engagement over this history has no “fair" resolution.


charghwI’ ‘utlh
(ghaH, ghaH, -Daj)

> On Apr 5, 2022, at 2:52 PM, Iikka Hauhio <fergusq at protonmail.com> wrote:
> Why is it that you are the only person I have problems with communicating. I wish to discuss this in a civilized manner, but it's impossible if you keep accusing me of dishonesty.
> I consider that insulting. I never misrepresent you intentionally. I might have misunderstood what you have said. If this is the case, you could explain yourself in other words. But it seems your mistrust is so great nothing I can do to convince you of this. You see malicious intent in every word I say, read them like the devil reads the bible and find every inconsistency there is to accuse me of. Please stop. It is rude and against the principle of charity.
> You have a tendency to write about your speculation like it's an established truth. I will respond to your messages I honestly disagree with and want to tell my opinion of. Please do not respond me back if you have nothing nice to say.
> Iikka "fergusq" Hauhio
> ------- Original Message -------
> On Tuesday, April 5th, 2022 at 21.30, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:
>> On 4/5/2022 2:19 PM, Iikka Hauhio wrote:
>>> ​SuStel:
>>> for a quality, that's weird. Again, I'm not saying it's possible, but it's weird, and I'm still not aware of any evidence that Klingon does it
>>>>>> I don't think it's weird. I've explained how such a word has a useful meaning. I think you too see how it could have a meaning, as you have multiple times described what it would mean, and I agree with your analysis. It seems the only reason you have to argue against this construct is that it is "weird" and doesn't fit to your personal model of how Klingon works.
>>> I don't think you can answer it just by declaring a yes or a no as Iikka is doing.
>>>>>> Please don't put words in my mouth.
>> Okay. I'm not going to read further. Every time we argue, you just project back what I've said to you, regardless of how accurate it is. You don't bring up evidence; you just claim that you do.
>> So you go ahead and keep misrepresenting me. Have fun.
>> --
>> SuStel
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