[tlhIngan Hol] expressing "especially"

Will Martin willmartin2 at mac.com
Thu Oct 14 08:28:28 PDT 2021

Okay, first, I have issues with this transliteration of “thalaron”, since Klingon lacks the consonant cluster “th”. More likely, it would be transliterated {tlheylaran} or something close to that. It’s not in the current lexicon, so we can’t be sure of the spelling. A Klingon couldn’t pronounce “thalaron” unless he had studied other languages, any more than an average English speaker could pronounce {Qu’vatlh}.

Second, since you must be speaking from the future Trek Universe where thalaron and Remans exist In THAT Universe, your message might be read by a Reman, for whom the weapon isn’t alien. If the listener isn’t Reman and hears you say it’s a Reman weapon, of course, it’s an alien weapon, right? Why state the obvious? Why be so redundant?

It’s like saying that “prendre” is a foreign word, especially French.

So, I’d suggest:

HIvmeH tlhoS tlhalaron woj lo’ rIymuSnganpu’ neH.

Or perhaps:

nuH lo’meH tlhoS tlheylaran woj wIv rIymuSnganpu’ neH.


tlhoy Qobmo’ tlheylaran woj, lo'Qo’ HochHom, ‘ach HIghqangchu’mo ‘ej’ batlhHa’qangmo’ le’ rIymuSnganpu’.

Meanwhile, going back to the original, I think this is a weird use of the English word “especially”. “Thalaron is an alien weapon, especially of the Remans,” sounds like it might more naturally be expressed as “Thalaron is a specialty weapon of the Remans."

I think of “especially” more often in sentences like “Klingons are an especially fierce race,” or “Thalaron is especially dangerous.”

For that, I think more along the lines of {tlhInganpu’ qu’ law’ Hoch qu’ puS} or {tlheylaran Qob law’ Hoch Qob puS}. In other words “especially” suggests “uniquely” or “to an extreme degree that is unique’. It’s special because it is extreme.


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> On Oct 14, 2021, at 10:03 AM, Steven Boozer <sboozer at uchicago.edu> wrote:
> This is especially <g> tricky:
>   nov nuH 'oH thalaron woj'e';  lulo’qu’ rIymuSnganpu’.
>   Thalaron radiation is an alien weapon; the Remans use
>   it a lot.
> I was tempted to tag {rIymuSnganpu’} with {-‘e’}, but I felt using it twice in one sentence was confusing.  You could break it into two sentences however:
>   nov nuH 'oH thalaron woj'e'.  pIj (nuHvam) lulo’ rIymuSnganpu’’e’.
>   Thalaron radiation is an alien weapon.  The Remans use it (this
>    weapon) frequently.
>   (or, As for the Remans, they use it (this weapon) frequently.)
> __
> Voragh
> From: mayqel qunen'oS
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 8:27 AM
> Something which I wondered some time ago, was how to express "especially".
>   "thalaron radiation is an alien weapon, especially of the Remans"
> One way to approach this is by writing in detail what "especially of the Remans" actually means. For example "used mainly by theRemans", "mostly developed by the Remans", "having been made known by the Remans", etc..
> On the other hand, perhaps we could avoid going from New York to Los Angeles through Chile, by simply writing:
>   nov nuH 'oH thalaron woj'e', 'ej rIymuSngan nuH 'oHchu'.
> Of course, if anyone has a better idea, then qeylIS knows, I'd love to hear it.
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