[tlhIngan Hol] using {'op} with {law'} and {puS}

Will Martin willmartin2 at mac.com
Fri Jul 23 06:09:52 PDT 2021


Again, point taken.

I will continue to work on being a better tlhIngan Hol citizen/community member with less interfering ego.

charghwI’ ‘utlh
(ghaH, ghaH, -Daj)

> On Jul 23, 2021, at 7:52 AM, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> charghwI':
> > I think you are leaning heavily upon the “an unknown or unspecified quantity”
> > part of the gloss and skipping over the perhaps more meaningful “some” part of the gloss.
> 
> You're right about that. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
> 
> charghwI':
> > I will confess an aversion to things said of Klingon that start with
> > “I just realized there’s no rule against…” or “It occurs to me that you could…”
> 
> I understand, and respect this; in fact I feel a similar aversion/disgust to people hitting the "like" button everytime an "expert" writes anything on facebook.. And I'm writing "expert" because a person who has never answered a difficult question, isn't an expert. However, many rush to feed these people's ego, a phenomenon which disgusts me. Groveling before "masters" is shameful and pathetic.
> 
> charghwI':
> > This is 100% my personal reaction, in that it feels like, “I know that I could spend decades
> > actually using the language without ever needing to deal with this odd little grammatical issue,
> > but I don’t really care enough about learning to use the language to get practice by using it.
> > I’d rather just poke at it.”
> 
> Again, I'm sorry you see it this way, however I totally respect your view on the matter. But two things here:
> 
> 1. The need for this thread appeared when I needed to express "an unknown quantity which is small". Unfortunately, I cannot share the sentence because it concerns something personal I was thinking at the time.
> 
> 2. You would be *very* surprised to the amount of info which has been disclosed in the past six years, after my "poking" of the language. And I will give an example:
> 
> Sometime ago I wondered about the {mej}/{tlheD} difference. Or rather "poked at it" as you would say.. One option was to use them randomly/interchangeably, and the other was to ask, a thing which I did.. Of course, no one knew at the time, but a little later 'oqranD disclosed their difference.
> 
> Something similar happened with the verb {chol}, with a comment from 'oqranD on the noun {Daq}, with the {qey'Hav} (where I was asked by 'oqranD through lieven if the word was to express only the vulva or the vagina too), and the list goes on..
> 
> With the exception of {qey'Hav}, I don't know how these information came to be disclosed a little later after my asking; I can imagine, but anyway the "how" isn't what's important here.
> 
> And I'm not writing all this because I want a medal or something; I'm writing this to show that we all contribute to the language, each in his own way:
> 
> SuStel and De'vID contribute by being experts (something which they've proven by answering difficult questions), voragh shares his archive which I'm sure took a lot of work to compile, qurgh maintains the infrastructure that we use..
> 
> And I contribute by poking.. Does this "poking" become obnoxious at times? Perhaps.. But all that matters, is that if Hermes the psychopomp came for me today, I would happy crossing over, knowing that there are things in the language which exist because I "poked".
> 
> wa' Dol nIvDaq matay'DI' maQap
> 
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