[tlhIngan Hol] differentiating between fruit and vegetable
Steven Boozer
sboozer at uchicago.edu
Fri Feb 5 13:18:37 PST 2021
Another option for fruit might be {tun} "be soft", which we've seen modify other class nouns:
ghab tun boneless meat from midsection of animal (regional)
HomHap tun cartilage
ngogh tun pillow
QongDaq ‘echlet tun mattress
‘atlhqam tun a type of mold
Oddly enough, when {naH} was appended to the names of Terran foods in "Talk Now! Klingon", they all referred to fruit, not vegetables:
banan naH banana
mengho' naH mango
pIlam naH plum
ghIrep naHmey grapes
per naHmey pears
raSber naHmey raspberries
Sutra'ber naHmey strawberries
tomat naHmey tomatoes [technically a fruit]
'epIl naHmey apples
Did I miss one? (Maybe the intended customers for TNK weren't known for eating their veggies!)
Klingon do have fruits, but they're known by specific names. E.g.
'IventoH pineapple-like fruit
'epIn peach[-like fruit]
peb'ot torpedo-shaped fruit
na'ran type of [sweet] fruit
Okrand always translates {naH} as "fruit or vegetable". I imagine he's making the culturally-relative point that Klingons simply don't think about sub-classes of {naH} like we do. Being primarily carnivores who moreover prefer their food uncooked, Klingons don't really eat much {naH} and thus don't particularly think much about it -- unless you're a cook.
(KGT 85): The Klingon diet consists primarily of animal matter. With a few notable exceptions, plants seldom form the bases of dishes in their own right, though they are used quite a bit in food preparation, particularly as seasoning.
(KGT 89): Any part of any plant that is eaten may be termed {naH}, usually translated fruit or vegetable. [...] The outer covering of a fruit or vegetable ({yub} "husk, rind, peel") is always consumed, except in the case of the {naHlet yub} (nut shell)
(charghwI' [date?]): I have come to accept that if you eat it, it is {naH}. If it is a plant and you don't eat it, it is {tI}. Perhaps tI includes {naH} as a subset.
{San'emDer} "plant" was revealed at qep'a' 2019, long after he wrote that, but charghwI's conclusion is still valid.
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Voragh
-----------------------------------Original Message-----------------------------------
From: Lieven L. Litaer
Am 02.02.2021 um 15:17 schrieb mayqel qunen'oS:
> Since we have just one word for both "fruit" *and* "vegetable", how in
> the glorious name of qeylIS the unforgettable are we supposed to say
> "the alien loves fruits, but hates vegetables"?
That's really agood question, and maybe there is even a word for this.
But until we find out, I would simply make te difference by describing the
fruit using adjectives, as in {naH tIv nov, 'ach naH wIb par}
Of course that's not clear, since not all naH wIb are vegetables.
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