[tlhIngan Hol] {Dam} in reference to verbs instead of nouns

Will Martin willmartin2 at mac.com
Fri Apr 30 09:11:41 PDT 2021


While I agree with both of you, looking at the two canon examples, it follows that the other way to say exactly the same thing would be:

SuvwI’vamvaD DunwI’ vIDam.

After all, an {‘urwI’} is just one who {‘ur}s, just as a {DunwI’} is one who is {Dun}.

charghwI’ ‘utlh
(ghaH, ghaH, -Daj)



> On Apr 30, 2021, at 9:00 AM, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:
> 
> On 4/30/2021 7:58 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
>> {Dam} lubopbogh cha' Ca'Non mu'tlhegh tu'lu':
>> 
>> HumanvaD 'urwI' wIDam
>> we treat the human as a traitor
>> 
>> 'urwI' ghaH 'e' vIDam
>> I consider him (to be) a traitor
>> 
>> cha' mu'tlheghvam DInuDchugh, vaj matlhoj: DIp ('urwI') lo' Hoch mu'tlheghvam. 'a mu'tlheghDaq DIp tu'lu'be'chugh, 'ej wot tu'lu'chugh, vaj jaSHa' {Dam} lo'laH'a' nuv?
>> 
>> jIqon:
>> 
>> Dun SuvwI'vam 'e' vIDam
>> I consider this warrior to be great
>> 
>> lugh'a' {Dam} lo'vam?
> 
> Think of Dam as meaning SUBJECT considers SOMEONE/SOMETHING to be OBJECT. Exactly how that someone or something is identified depends on how you construct the sentence. In HumanvaD 'urwI' wIDam, you're using an indirect object to say We (subject) consider the human (someone) to be a traitor (object). In 'urwI' ghaH 'e' vIDam, you're using a separate sentence to identify whom you're talking about, saying I (subject) consider him (someone) to be-traitor (object).
> 
> So apply this same idea to your proposed sentence: I (subject) consider this warrior (someone) to be-wonderful. It follows the same pattern. It works.
> 
> 
> 
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