[tlhIngan Hol] expressing goddess

Will Martin willmartin2 at mac.com
Tue Apr 13 12:41:00 PDT 2021


Also, we have a word for “empress”. We don’t have one for “chancellor-ess”.

charghwI’ vaghnerya’ngan

rInpa’ bomnIS be’’a’ pI’.




> On Apr 13, 2021, at 12:32 PM, Lieven L. Litaer <levinius at gmx.de> wrote:
> 
> Am 13.04.2021 um 16:33 schrieb De'vID:
>> so-and-so as well as "lady" so-and-so, and thus the definition was
>> expanded. The sexism in the vocabulary, if it's there, was accidental.
> 
> And still, the sexism is in the English translation, not Klingon.
> 
>> Similarly, we have only heard about Klingon emperors on the TV shows and
>> movies. (Are there any screen canon Klingon empresses? Maybe we missed
>> an opportunity with L'Rell.) Undoubtedly, were a Star Trek writer to
>> mention a Klingon empress on the show, Dr. Okrand would reveal that
>> {voDleH}/{ta'} could also mean "empress", or alternatively reveal the
>> correct Klingon term for this title.
> 
> Okrand had a good chance in ST6, when Azetbur took over the role of her
> father, chancellor Gorkon. In the scene, she was addressed as "madame
> chancellor".
> 
> The new word {Qang} for "chancellor" appeared in the addendum of TKD,
> which means it was discovered for Star Trek 6.
> 
> Of course, we can still not know if Okrand was aware of the ending of
> the movie, maybe not knowing that there was a female version of
> chancellor needed. But he translated a dialogue for a scene wit that
> female chancellor, and the script was very clear. Unfortunately, the
> word Chancellor did not appear in the translation.
> 
> Of course, this is about chancellor, not empereror.
> 
>> {voDleH}/{ta'} is gender-neutral like {joH}, although, given the absence
>> of other gendered nouns and titles in the vocabulary, this seems likely.
> 
> I think so, too. Also remember that {ghaH} and {chaH} are gender-neutral.
> 
> --
> Lieven L. Litaer
> see
> http://klingon.wiki/En/ST6
> http://klingon.wiki/En/Gender
> http://klingon.wiki/Word/Qang
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