[tlhIngan Hol] can jaH take a person as its' object ?

SuStel sustel at trimboli.name
Mon May 25 07:56:15 PDT 2020


On 5/25/2020 8:54 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
> Suppose I'm in one room, gowron is at another, and I want to say "I go 
> to gowron".
>
> Until some time ago, I would have said {ghawran vIjaH}, but recently I 
> started wondering whether {jaH} can indeed take a person as an object.
>
> I'm asking, because writing {ghawran vIjaH} gives me the impression 
> that at the end of the {jaH}ing, I'll be actually hugging gowron, 
> standing on him or something similar.

*jaH* takes the destination as its object. If *ghawran* is your 
destination, then *ghawran* is the object. His being a destination 
doesn't imply that you end up standing on top of him.


> If you think about it, whenever you go to a person you are actually 
> approaching him, and at the end of the approaching, the thing which 
> has actually taken place, is that the initial distance has been 
> considerably decreased.
>
> But you don't actually go *to* him/her, in the same way you'd go to a 
> place, where you end up standing in/on that place.

You're taking things far too literally. The language doesn't work like that.


> So, why not say instead {ghawran vIchol} or {ghawran vIghoS} ?

You can say those things. *ghawran vIchol* doesn't imply that *ghawran* 
is your destination, just that the distance between you is lessened. 
*ghawran vIghoS* implies that *ghawran,* as a location, defines your 
course, and most of the time that'll be your destination, but it's not 
required. (For example, consider the classic problem of the runaway 
train and the railroad switch. If I take the left fork, I will run over 
Gowron. If I take the right fork, I will run over fifty innocent people. 
To minimize the deaths, I turn left. *ghawran vIghoS,* but Gowron isn't 
my destination.)

When you use language, there isn't one precise formulation that 
correctly defines the given situation. Language is about expression, and 
you can express different things about any situation. You choose the 
words that best express what it is about a situation you want to express.

-- 
SuStel
http://trimboli.name

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