[tlhIngan Hol] placement of {je} relative to the {rIntaH}

Will Martin willmartin2 at mac.com
Mon Jan 27 09:02:54 PST 2020

I always am amused by how often the dominant discussions here don’t give a fig about expressing meaning well. It’s always about the minutia of syntax. Make sure you encode things accurately. Forget about actual translation. That’s obviously unimportant here. Just make sure that a computer program that generates Klingon text would spew only valid grammatical constructions.

All head. No heart.

That also explains the passionate refusal to mention cultural considerations, since that falls outside the context of modern software.

I’m sure I’ll be insulted and abused for saying this, just so nobody thinks I don’t forsee it happening.

charghwI’ vaghnerya’ngan

rInpa’ bomnIS be’’a’ pI’.

> On Jan 27, 2020, at 9:17 AM, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:
> On 1/27/2020 9:00 AM, Will Martin wrote:
>> The first problem is that your English sentence is very ambiguous, so how can we know exactly how to translate it?
> The problem here has nothing to do with ambiguity. He's asking about the order of je and rIntaH.
> If we use -ta' instead of rIntaH to avoid the problem, the translation is simple:
> romuluSnganpu' vIjonta' je
> I captured the Romulans too.
> Klingon and English have exactly the same ambiguity. The English could mean what you said:
>> Do you mean “I was among those who captured the Romulans,” or do you mean, “I captured prisoners including some Romulans,” or do you mean, “I did a bunch of things, including capturing the Romulans,”?
> The Klingon can mean exactly these things too. The Klingon Dictionary explicitly points out how je can have an ambiguous meaning. This is a normal part of je.
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