[tlhIngan Hol] unable to use the upper case letter to specify by not specifying

[Will Martin]

tlhoy nong Qinmey law’ vIlabpu’bogh. DaH jIqeSDI’, QaghmeywIj ngo’ vIqel. ghojmeH mIwmeyvam vIghojtaHvIS, jIQIpchu’pu’ ‘ej Qaghmeyvammo’, jIbechpu’. bechtaHghachvam lujunlaH latlhpu’ ‘e’ vIQaHlaHchugh, jIQuch.

ghaytan, vIQaHlaHbe’. ghoj’eghnIS Hoch, ‘e’ vISov, ‘ach jInIDlaH…

And yes, I think I remember that the second verb in an SAO isn’t supposed to take a Type 9 suffix. I just think this statement is better expressed by ignoring the rule. Or maybe there is no such rule, and no need for an apology or explanation.

Whatever.

charghwI’ vaghnerya’ngan

rInpa’ bomnIS be’’a’ pI’.

> On Aug 12, 2020, at 11:08 AM, Will Martin <willmartin2 at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> I’m tempted to suggest that the Internet has invented a class of inflammatory speech hitherto unknown to humankind, but one need only look at political pamphlets and letters going back to early written speech to prove otherwise. 
> 
> My wife and I are currently reading a book on Servetis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Servetus <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Servetus>) and Calvin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Calvin <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Calvin>) where one of the more significant moments in history centered around a written exchange between the two disrespecting each other’s perspective, culminating in Servetis being burned at the stake; specifically that he be burned over a low flame so it would take longer to kill him and he’d suffer longer. It took half an hour for him to stop screaming, though he was posthumously respected for his conviction to his belief, since he never recanted anything throughout the ordeal, not that the respect benefitted him much. It did make things temporarily awkward for Calvin, though.
> 
> Though Servetis lost the legal argument, he was pretty obviously the better Biblical scholar of the two, and apparently discovered a truer model of the human circulatory system than had existed in medical science 75 years before the guy most commonly credited for having figured it out. Spoiler Alert: Blood flows from the heart to the lungs, then back to the heart before being distributed to most  living cells in the body (except the clear, gooey parts of the eyeballs), and then it gets pumped back to the heart. He was the first to realize that the lungs got something out of the air and added it to the blood and took something out of the blood and moved it to the air and the rest of the body benefitted from this process.
> 
> Calvin was less intelligent, but more clever than Servetis, winning political battles that successfully caused enormous, unnecessary suffering to millions of people for generations.
> 
> Anyway, the intensity of language used in making a point rarely wins the argument in the long run.
> 
> Unnecessary falling to words like “fall on our knees”, which nobody suggested, or “It would be pathetic to” do something nobody here suggests that you would have to do, nor must you “blindly swallow” anything. You don’t have to behave like a “slave”, either. Nobody here thinks you do, and odds are you know that, despite your self-cast role as victim of some evil conspiracy to control you.
> 
> Your point would earn more respect if it could be stated without this disproportionate intensity.
> 
> You may not like that simple truth. You may feel passionately driven to respond to it with even more intensity, but it won’t change the simple truth.
> 
> charghwI’ vaghnerya’ngan
> 
> rInpa’ bomnIS be’’a’ pI’.
> 
>> On Aug 12, 2020, at 6:17 AM, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun at gmail.com <mailto:mihkoun at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Mark E. Shoulson:
>>> You can't demand to be able to use uppercase letters
>> 
>> fse:
>> 
>> While you were reading the initial post, where exactly did you read
>> the word "demand" ?. I don't "demand" anything. I didn't write
>> anywhere the word "demand".
>> 
>> I described something which irritates me; is there a rule on this list
>> that we *have* to like every aspect of the language ? Is there a rule,
>> that we are required to fall on our knees for the klingon language
>> almighty, and kahless forbids that we dare to say that there's
>> something we don't like ?
>> 
>> It would be pathetic if the official mailing list of the "warrior's
>> tongue", demanded it's members to bend knee, blindly swallow
>> *everything* which concerns the language and like it, behaving like
>> slaves.
>> 
>> tlh:
>> 
>> QIn wa'DIch DalaDtaHvIS, nuqDaq damand mu' DalaDpu' ? mu'vam Daqna'
>> Dangu'laH'a' ? pagh vIpoQ; pagh DaqDaq demand mu' vIjatlhpu'.
>> 
>> muberghmoHbogh vay' vIDelpu'; Hoch tlhIngan DI'onmey DIQejnIS,
>> tlhIngan Hol DunvaD matornIS, 'ej {Holvam bopbogh vay' wIpar} mu'mey
>> DIjatlhbe'nIS. chutvam tu'lu''a' ? chutvam wIpab maHvaD 'e' poQ'a'
>> qeylIS ?
>> 
>> toy'wI''a'pu' Da tlhIngan Hol QIn tetlh jeSwI'pu'; Holvam bopbogh Hoch
>> lulajchu' tlhIngan Hol QIn tetlh jeSwI'pu'vam, 'ej wanI'vam
>> luparHa'chu'.. jeSwI'pu'DajvaD 'e' poQchugh SuvwI'pu' Hol QIn tetlh,
>> vaj vay' 'IQchoHmoH wanI'vam.
>> 
>> ~ Qa'yIn
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