[tlhIngan Hol] mu' chu': 'aS 'IDnar pIn'a' Dun

Jackson Bradley j.monroe.bradley at gmail.com
Mon Apr 20 08:28:50 PDT 2020


I also neglected to include a new comment on *kiss* in my original edit to
the Wiki but have since added it. I'll post it here. I had a question about
*kiss* since it comes up more than a few times in the book and I know that
there's lots of hesitation surrounding the use of *chop* for this:

For "kiss," chop seems to have become the established translation. But, of
course, to chop is to kiss Klingon-style. To make it clear that that's not
what's happening in Oz, I was going to suggest *pe'vIlHa' chop*. I see you
used *pe'vIlHa' chop* for when the witch kissed Dorothy "gently on the
forehead," so, unless that changes, you can't use *pe'vIl chop* for
"(non-Klingon) kiss" in general. Maybe *loQ chop* will work for the more
general case. Or maybe just use chop and let it go at that. There's no
straightforward, simple Klingon word for "(human-style) kiss." A
non-standard, slangy expression for this is *'ep*. And Maltz says he thinks
he once heard someone say *qab rem*, but he tried hard to picture that and
didn't consider it to be good Klingon at all — not even good slang.

Le lun. 20 avr. 2020, à 11 h 26, Jackson Bradley <j.monroe.bradley at gmail.com>
a écrit :

> Aha! I suspected a Downton Abbey pun in *patmor* but wasn't sure how it
> was related.
> We had been chatting about Downton Abbey in the string of e-mails in which
> he revealed *patmor*.
>
> Le lun. 20 avr. 2020, à 11 h 01, Felix Malmenbeck <felixm at kth.se> a
> écrit :
>
>> Thank you for sharing; some interesting ones, there!
>>
>> Rubies and emeralds could potentially be of interest when {Doq/SuD; X
>> rur.} to describe the color of something. It's worth noting that there is a
>> certain span of colors that rubies and emeralds can take, though, so be
>> mindful that a Klingon might not imagine the exact same color as we do if
>> you say {Doq; nIb DItlhon.} or {SuD; nIb patmor.}.
>>
>>
>> A while back, I asked a question on the conworlding Stack Exchange about
>> whether or not we would expect to find well-known gemstones on other
>> Earth-like planets, specifically because I was thinking about whether or
>> not it would be of interest to ask about their Klingon names. There were
>> some interesting answers:
>>
>>
>>
>> https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/108397/would-earthlike-planets-in-other-solar-systems-have-well-known-earth-gemstones-s
>>
>>
>> It does seem likely - or at least not incredibly _un_likely* - that
>> the cardinal gems would be found in some quantity, as their formation is
>> quite simple.
>>
>> However, their abundance and categorization might differ, since the same
>> mineral can take a range of colors (for example, rubies and sapphires are
>> both varieties of corundum), and conversely two different may have similar
>> features (for example, I wouldn't be able to tell ruby from red beryl).
>>
>>
>> //loghaD
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces at lists.kli.org> on behalf of
>> nIqolay Q <niqolay0 at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 16:42
>> *To:* tlhingan-hol at kli.org
>> *Cc:* tlhIngan-Hol at lists.kli.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [tlhIngan Hol] mu' chu': 'aS 'IDnar pIn'a' Dun
>>
>> majQa'!
>>
>> One thing I like lately is how MO has been providing new verbs which seem
>> to be related to existing nouns, giving a sense of some deeper historical
>> etymology. ({rutlh} = "wheel" and "be round", for instance.) {QIn} "inject"
>> might be another example, since it's homophonous with the word for
>> "spearhead", both of which involve sticking a pointy thing into something
>> else.
>>
>> Also, this seems to be acknowledgement of the word {ngIS}, which was
>> coined for a Klingon novel but wasn't canon.
>>
>> {mu' chu' loScha'mey:}
>> {DItlhon} = "dixon" in the xifan hol transcription system. In the
>> holodeck scene of "Star Trek: First Contact", Ruby is the name of one of
>> Dixon Hill's lady friends.
>> {patmor} = Beryl Patmore is a character on Downton Abbey. Emerald is a
>> variety of the mineral beryl.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 6:46 PM Jackson Bradley <
>> j.monroe.bradley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello everyone!
>>>
>>> Earlier I uploaded a video in which I presented some new words that I
>>> received for a recent translation. I've put the glosses and some notes onto
>>> the Klingon Wiki, so be sure to check that page out!
>>>
>>> http://klingon.wiki/En/TheWonderfulWizardOfOz
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8eizUIy3b4
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> DeSDu'
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