[tlhIngan Hol] Is {Sal} a verb of movement ?

[SuStel]

On 2/11/2019 1:45 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
> This came up while I was writing another message earlier today..
>
> Is {Sal} (v) "ascend", to be treated as the verbs of movement ?
>
> If I'm on earth and begin ascending to the sky, what do I say ?
>
> {chal vIlSal} or {chalDaq jISal} ?

"Verb of movement" or "verb of motion" is really not a term we should 
have promoted so much. The defining feature is not that the verb 
describes motion or movement, but that the verb itself include a 
locative idea.

    There are a few verbs whose meanings include locative notions, such
    as *ghoS */approach//, proceed./ The locative suffix need not be
    used on nouns which are the objects of such verbs.

        *Duj ghoStaH*/It is approaching the ship./
        (*Duj */ship,//vessel,/ *ghoStaH */it is approaching it/)

        *yuQ wIghoStaH */We are proceeding toward the planet.
        /(*yuQ */planet, /*wIghoStaH */we are proceeding toward it/)

    If the locative suffix is used with such verbs, the resulting
    sentence is somewhat redundant, but not out-and-out wrong.

        *DujDaq ghoStaH */It is approaching toward the ship./

So the question you need to answer is, does *Sal*/ascend/ include a 
locative notion? I don't think so. Okrand uses *Sal* in /paq'batlh/ like so:

    *SaqSub'e' muSHa'bogh
         pawmeH leng qeylIS
         HuDmey Sal ghIq ghIr*

    /And Kahless traveled to
         His beloved Saq'suub,
         Over the mountains,/

The object of *Sal* is the thing climbed, not the destination, so it 
doesn't appear to be a locative verb.

He uses it again:

    *QIStaq 'emDaq jenchoH jul
         yor DungDaq Salta'DI'
         tagh HarghchuqmeH poH*

    /The sun rises high behind the Kri'stak,
         When it rises over its top,
         It is time to do battle./

Here, the destination of the rising /is/ mentioned, and it is in a 
separate locative phrase, not the object of the verb. I am now convinced 
that *Sal* is not a locative verb.

I like that term much better: /locative verb./

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SuStel
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