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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/11/2019 1:45 PM, mayqel qunenoS
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cite="mid:CAP7F2cLkyFYaP=AcSrQN+2SQmvguqFOm=HYQjVgmTrxBNuDbNA@mail.gmail.com">This
came up while I was writing another message earlier today..
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<div dir="auto">Is {Sal} (v) "ascend", to be treated as the verbs
of movement ?</div>
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<div dir="auto">If I'm on earth and begin ascending to the sky,
what do I say ?</div>
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<div dir="auto">{chal vIlSal} or {chalDaq jISal} ?</div>
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<p>"Verb of movement" or "verb of motion" is really not a term we
should have promoted so much. The defining feature is not that the
verb describes motion or movement, but that the verb itself
include a locative idea.</p>
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<p>There are a few verbs whose meanings include locative notions,
such as <b>ghoS </b><i>approach</i><i>, proceed.</i> The
locative suffix need not be used on nouns which are the objects
of such verbs.</p>
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<p><b>Duj ghoStaH</b><i> It is approaching the ship.</i><br>
(<b>Duj </b><i>ship,</i><i> vessel,</i> <b>ghoStaH </b><i>it
is approaching it</i>)</p>
<p><b>yuQ wIghoStaH </b><i>We are proceeding toward the planet.<br>
</i>(<b>yuQ </b><i>planet, </i><b>wIghoStaH </b><i>we are
proceeding toward it</i>)</p>
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<p>If the locative suffix is used with such verbs, the resulting
sentence is somewhat redundant, but not out-and-out wrong.</p>
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<p><b>DujDaq ghoStaH </b><i>It is approaching toward the ship.</i></p>
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<p>So the question you need to answer is, does <b>Sal</b><i> ascend</i>
include a locative notion? I don't think so. Okrand uses <b>Sal</b>
in <i>paq'batlh</i> like so:</p>
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<p><b>SaqSub'e' muSHa'bogh<br>
pawmeH leng qeylIS<br>
HuDmey Sal ghIq ghIr</b></p>
<p><i>And Kahless traveled to<br>
His beloved Saq'suub,<br>
Over the mountains,</i></p>
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<p>The object of <b>Sal</b> is the thing climbed, not the
destination, so it doesn't appear to be a locative verb.</p>
<p>He uses it again:</p>
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<p><b>QIStaq 'emDaq jenchoH jul<br>
yor DungDaq Salta'DI'<br>
tagh HarghchuqmeH poH</b></p>
<p><i>The sun rises high behind the Kri'stak,<br>
When it rises over its top,<br>
It is time to do battle.</i></p>
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<p>Here, the destination of the rising <i>is</i> mentioned, and it
is in a separate locative phrase, not the object of the verb. I am
now convinced that <b>Sal</b> is not a locative verb.</p>
<p>I like that term much better: <i>locative verb.</i><br>
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