[tlhIngan Hol] Out of curiosity..

Jeffrey Clark jmclark85 at gmail.com
Fri Feb 22 04:52:04 PST 2019

Since Klingon has fewer letters than than there are characters in most keyboards, it seems needless, if there was going to be a change in the system, to keep any multi-character letters.


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> On Feb 22, 2019, at 07:26, Jeff Zeitlin <jzeitlin at cyburban.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 15:47:23 -0600, Daniel Dadap <daniel at dadap.net>
> wrote:
>>> On Feb 21, 2019, at 12:13, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> how would we distinguish between the q and Q ?
>> The one other place where case matters is in distinguishing between 
>> ng+H and n+gh. I don’t think there are any word pairs where the 
>> difference would cause confusion, but that doesn’t mean there never 
>> will be.
>> For example, nobody is going to think that NENGHEP is nengHep, or that 
>> VENGHOM is venghom if they know the words nenghep and vengHom.
> Perhaps the Esperanto 'x-convention' could be suitably adopted here,
> and for the same reason that it is used in Esperanto: 'x' isn't a
> letter in the alphabet.  Thus, H -> hx and Q -> qx, and your examples
> become nenghep and venghxom.
> (side note: Esperanto has six letters that have diacritics; without
> the diacritics, they are indistinguishable from six other letters in
> the Esperanto alphabet. So, if you're using a keyboard that doesn't
> support the Esperanto diacritics, you use the 'matching'
> undiacritic-ized letter followed by 'x' to indicate the diacritic-ized
> letter.)
>> Using qh for Q could be problematic in a similar way for 
>> distinguishing q+H from Q. For example, is baqha' baqHa' or baQa'?
> And these are baqhxa' and baqxa' respectively.
>> An encoding like xifan hol or a system with diacritics would avoid 
>> these issues.
>> FWIW I found SuStel’s example texts perfectly readable, but it does 
>> seem that old habits are hard to break (I saw a “DaH” in there rather 
>> than “Dah”, for example.) Also, I wonder, since qaghwI' can’t exactly 
>> be capital or lowercase, if the vowel following a qaghwI' in a word 
>> that begins with qaghwI' should be the one to be capitalized instead. 
>> For example:
>> Qu' dataghdi' 'Aktu' Mellota' je tikaw.
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