[tlhIngan Hol] {-moH} and two things instead of three

André Müller esperantist at gmail.com
Wed Mar 21 07:12:14 PDT 2018


Just a detail in SuStel's message:

> *mabom'eghmoH maH** We cause each other to sing.*

"We cause ourselves to sing.", otherwise it would be *mabomchuqmoH maH*.

- André

2018-03-21 14:57 GMT+01:00 SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name>:

> On 3/21/2018 9:40 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
>
> What would happen though, if we had only two things ? "the vulcans, caused
> the federation to accept them (the "them" referring to themselves, the
> vulcans)". Here we have only two things: the federation and the vulcans.
>
> So how would we say that ? Instinctively, I would write:
>
> {yuQjIjDI'vI'vaD vulqanganpu' lajmoH vulqanganpu'}
>
> But, my problem is, that the {vulqanganpu'} which precedes and follows the
> {lajmoH} is the same, i.e. it refers to the same people.
>
> As I understand it, the "they-them" zero-prefix, is to be used only when
> the "they" is other than the "them".
>
> Your understanding is flawed. When an entity is both the doer of an action
> and the done upon, you use one of the reflexive suffixes to indicate this,
> and the entity is the subject. *jIqIp'egh jIH** I hit myself. *When an
> entity is both the causer and the one caused to do the action, you use one
> of the reflexive suffixes. *mabom'eghmoH maH** We cause each other to
> sing. *But in your example you have the same entity as the causer and the
> done upon, which is not one of the times you use a reflexive suffix. So
> your instincts are correct.
>
> If you don't like having the same entity on both sides of a single verb,
> do something like this: *vulqanganpu' laj yuQjIjDIvI' 'e' qaSmoH
> vulqanganpu'.* Or go with a syntactic noun: *vulqanganpu'mo' vulqanganpu'
> laj yuQjIjDIvI'.*
>
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