[tlhIngan Hol] {-be'} on {-lu'}.. seriously ?

SuStel sustel at trimboli.name
Tue Jan 23 06:30:59 PST 2018

On 1/23/2018 3:54 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
> But I find it wrong, someone based on the {tu'lu'be'}, and some vague 
> indications with regards to the nature of the rover, to go on and 
> write something like {Soplu'be'}.
> An expert should write as an expert; unless he/she write only for 
> themselves. But if you are an expert, and are writing something which 
> will be seen and read by other people, then you have to respect the 
> readers and follow the damn rules.

I've explained this multiple times. The rovers *-be'* and *-qu'* do not 
always apply just to the single, immediately preceding element of the 
verb. Sometimes they get applied to entire verbs or even entire 
sentences. This is not explained in TKD; it simply shows up in canonical 

*Hoch DaSopbe'chugh batlh bIHeghbe'
*/Eat everything or you will die without honor./ (PK)

This doesn't mean /if you do not eat everything you will fail to die 
honorably./ The *-be'* applies to the entire phrase *batlh bIHegh*/you 
will die honorably./

There are other examples I have cited before; I don't have the time to 
find them again. Suffice it to say that *Soplu'be'* doesn't mean 
/definite subject eats;/ it means /one does not eat./

As for why you would say that instead of *Sopbe'lu',* I don't think 
there's a difference. Lieven tried to make one, but I don't believe 
Klingon gets that specific with its suffix ordering. At best, 
complaining that *Soplu'be'* doesn't follow the "immediately preceding 
element" rule marks you as a grammatical curmudgeon, and does not 
improve anyone's comprehension. *yIleS!*


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