[tlhIngan Hol] new words episode 14 and 15

Felix Malmenbeck felixm at kth.se
Tue Feb 6 04:43:50 PST 2018


> Is there something missing from your post ? Before this point, where does 'oqranD make reference of a verb {patlh} ?


I haven't seen this, either. It seems an e-mail might've gotten lost on its way to the list.


> Regarding the verb "compare", I (Lieven) asked whether this would work:
> {A-mey patlhmoH C} "C sorts his A" (for instance, his socks)


So, I take it that «patlhmoH» means something like "rank" (fitting, given the meaning of the noun «patlh»). I wonder if this could also be another sequence, i.e. deciding in which order you will wear your socks next weeks, even if the sequence is not in order of importance.


For simply gathering one's socks, one could probably use «yIr». For tidying up, one could use «ghIHHa'moH».

However, it would be useful to have something for "sort (into categories)"; for example, organizing socks by color, or length, or separating child A's socks from child B's socks. «paSloghvaD Qur pabmoH.» comes to mind, or «DaqDaj tlhInDaq ngIq paSlogh lan.», but I'm not sure.


//loghaD


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lieven:
> Regarding the verb "compare", I (Lieven) asked whether this
> would work:
> {A-mey patlhmoH C}

Is there something missing from your post ? Before this point, where does 'oqranD make reference of a verb {patlh} ?

~ nI'ghma

On Feb 6, 2018 12:14 PM, "Lieven L. Litaer" <levinius at gmx.de<mailto:levinius at gmx.de>> wrote:
For the Klingon subtitles in episode 114, Marc Okrand could get Maltz to talk again, and revealed the following words. All of the following are direct quotes of Okrand:

{QIl} v. "be desperate", as when there's no way out, they have nothing to lose. This includes ideas like "last-ditch, do-or-die, hopeless, doomed."

{maleSya'} n. Malaysia

Think of {rang} as "be responsible for."  As I mentioned, it takes an object ({ngoy'} does not).  {rang} cannot be used as an adjective.

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Using {qaw} "remember" seems to work in your example of {Dochmey qawbogh} "things he remembers/remembered."

But I agree - it's a little awkward. And what one remembers should probably be described as something better or descriptive than simply "things."

We've got {qawHaq} "memory banks." Maltz didn't know what {Haq} in this word was. (He said it has nothing to do with surgery - that's just a coincidence.)  But {qaw}, he said, is a perfectly fine noun meaning "memory" in the sense of the ability to remember or the power of recall.  It does not refer to specific memories or recollections. That's a different word: {wov'on}.

It's more common to hear {wov'on qaw} "he/she remembers a memory" than {wov'on ghaj} "he/she has a memory," though the colloquial (English) translation of the former would be "he/she has a memory."  Someone who remembers a lot of stuff or who can easily remember things (like dates or lines of a play) may be said to have a {qaw pov} "excellent memory."

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Regarding the verb "compare", I (Lieven) asked whether this would work:
{A-mey patlhmoH C} "C sorts his A" (for instance, his socks)
Okrand said:

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In general, yes.  I suppose you could say this if A means "socks," but that would imply that the person doing the sorting likes or values some socks more than some others.
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(so it wouldn't be used to clean your room. It's still about ranking.)


--
Lieven L. Litaer
aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany"
http://www.klingonisch.de
http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/DSC114
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