[tlhIngan Hol] “qabwIj vIweq”

[SuStel]

On 4/26/2018 5:22 PM, Daniel Dadap wrote:
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> On Apr 26, 2018, at 16:03, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name 
> <mailto:sustel at trimboli.name>> wrote:
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>> On 4/26/2018 4:44 PM, Daniel Dadap wrote:
>>> jatlhchuqtaHvIs jupwI' jIH je, jIqIDpu', 'a tlhaQbe' qIDwIj 'e' noH jupwI'. “chay' tlhIngan Hol jatlhtaHvIS*facepalm*  jatlhlu'” 'e' ghel ghaH. “qabwIj vIweq” vIjangpu', 'a jIloy neH.
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>>> jIghel: nuq jatlh tlhInganna', moghDI' ghaH?
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>> jatlhlaw' /ghuy'cha'! /pagh /va!/
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> Thanks for answering the question and also for helping me with the 
> fiddly grammar bits. I hope my post was at least somewhat 
> intelligible. }}}:-)
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> I suppose my actual question could have been more precisely worded: 
> “ghuy'cha'” and “va” both seem like reasonable things that one might 
> say in a moment of general frustration, whereas I was looking for a 
> more direct analog to “facepalm”, which I interpret more as an 
> expression of exasperation in immediate response to something that 
> somebody has just said or done.
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> Do you think “qabwIj vIweq” would at least be understood to mean 
> something like “facepalm”? Are you aware of any other expressions or 
> idioms that might be suitable for a “facepalm” moment?

Are you saying people actually say "facepalm" in such moments? I'm 
pretty sure Klingons aren't up on the latest Internetese, and don't have 
this expression.


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>> <jatlhchuqtaHvIS jupwI' jIH je>
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>> *jatlh* doesn't take the person spoken to as a direct object, so you 
>> probably can't say *jatlhchuq.* One usually says *ja'chuq,* which 
>> appears in the dictionary. It's not entirely clear, though.
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>> <chay' tlhIngan Hol jatlhtaHvIS /facepalm/ jatlhlu'>
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>> Don't insert the subordinate clause between the main clause and its 
>> question word. Also, keep your indefinite subject consistent 
>> throughout. *tlhIngan Hol jatlhlu'taHvIS chay' /facepalm/ jatlhlu'?*
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> Cool, this is helpful. Would “tlhIngan Hol jatlhlu'taHvIS chay' X 
> jatlhlu'” be a reasonable way to ask how to say X in Klingon? Is there 
> a more concise/preferred way to do this?

Maybe *wejpuH*/charming (used only ironically)./

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SuStel
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